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Will the judge listen to my 5 year old?

She has never spent the night at her dad's house and doesn't want to, he plans to take me to court for overnight visitation. If he does, will the judge consider her opinion? Will the judge also take into consideration that he has never had her for more the 8 hours and even that's been over a year, now it's more like 4 hours. She doesn't mind so much going out with him during the day but she does not want to spend the night. I have told him that it's his fault because had he wanted overnights from the beginning (or as soon as he could, he left when I was pregnant and they usually don't do overnights till about a year) she would be used to it and it would have never been an issue. Also he is military and will be out of the country or state for most of the next 1 1/2.

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Asked by Anonymous at 5:14 AM on Jan. 31, 2012 in Parenting Debate

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  • Some judges will listen to a child and it will depend on what that child’s wishes, how mature she appears. A few Judges will not even listen to a child if they are under 7 yrs old. Also if your daughter expresses a good reasons related to her best interest such as genuinely feeling closer to you instead of her daddy, sometimes courts will follow your daughter's wishes. Another piece of good news is since your ex wants to modify the custody arrangement, hes gonna have to show the court that something has substantially changed since the last custody order. And since he is getting ready to ship out of the country will be a great help for you, or can go against you. But if I were you, I would get a legal aid atty, you can get on free if you qualify, and get one that has experience in these matters.
    Michigan-Mom74

    Answer by Michigan-Mom74 at 6:41 AM on Jan. 31, 2012

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  • 5 years old. They probably wont listen. They usually do not listen to kids tell they are 12 I think.
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    Answer by louise2 at 7:05 AM on Jan. 31, 2012

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  • Nope. The rule of thumb is they have to be around 12 to have some input but even then it is no guarantee unless they are asking to move out of the custodial parents home due to abuse or neglect, or just a better home environment. At just 5 years old a judge will see this as the perfect time to allow over night visits. Judges generally limit over nights with infants and toddlers. At 5 though she is now considered a child and the judge will allow over night visitation with her dad unless he is somehow abusive.
    gemgem

    Answer by gemgem at 7:24 AM on Jan. 31, 2012

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  • I would be curious as to her reason for not wanting to go. Has she had a sleepover somewhere else, so this is a "dad specific" thing, or is it a fear of sleepovers in general? Either way though, if there's no reason (such as abuse, an unsafe living environment, etc) for her to not spend the night with him, I think that you, as the mom, should really be trying to encourage her to go.

    Yes, I get that he was a dirt bag that walked out on you while you were pg, BUT - he's her father, and it sounds like he's trying to BE a father, and in the long run, whether you're with him or not, a child having a good relationship with both of her parents is a good thing for them. By you encouraging that relationship, then, as she gets older, she's going to appreciate that - either because she has a good relationship with him, or because she doesn't (because he flakes out), but she knows that YOU weren't what prevented it, kwim?
    sailorwifenmom

    Answer by sailorwifenmom at 8:20 AM on Jan. 31, 2012

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  • No, and it's your job as her mom to make her feel as good as possible about going if she does have to go. Don't tell her how much you will miss her and cry, talk about how much fun it will be - like slumber party with dad.
    missanc

    Answer by missanc at 8:31 AM on Jan. 31, 2012

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  • It depends on the state. What they would do in most states would be to assign a guardian et litum who will talk to the child and both of the parents, and inform the judge of what (s)he thinks would be in the child's best interests rather than having the child testify or just going by what the child wants.
    riotgrrl

    Answer by riotgrrl at 1:06 PM on Jan. 31, 2012

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  • No. They are not even generallyin the court room. A five year old is not old enough to make these kinds of decisions for herself. The fact that he has never had overnight means nothingas there can be many reasons for that happening including your own objections.
    Perhaps it would be more productive to discover why YOu don;t want her to stay overnight with her father.
    I would suggest that you encourage her love for her father no matter what your feelings are.
    Dardenella

    Answer by Dardenella at 1:23 PM on Jan. 31, 2012

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  • A few judges WILL listen to a 5 yr old child and that is another reason why its important to get a family atty. If the judge will not listen, the atty will read a letter on her behalf. As for not being allowed to be in the court room, she can be in there. I have been to several court cases involving child vistition and custody that judges may not listen to a young child, but they can be there. Like I said above, it greatly depends on the maturity level of her daughter. There are no 'set in stone' rules saying a judge will not listen to a child when deciding whats in the best interests of that child.
    Michigan-Mom74

    Answer by Michigan-Mom74 at 5:31 PM on Jan. 31, 2012

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  • She has maybe 2 sleep overs with my mom a year but she is almost as close with my mom as she is with me. With her bio dad, she is ok for going out for a short time but no more then that. It's not like she is refusing to see him, she just wants to know she can come home when she wants
    Anonymous

    Comment by Anonymous (original poster) at 3:48 AM on Feb. 1, 2012

  • missanc, since this hasn't happened, I haven't cried or anything BUT I'm not going to promise her she will have a good time because I can't control whether or not she has a good time and if she doesn't that would make me a liar. I don't lie to my kid because with one parent who is in and out of her life, she needs to know she can trust me.
    dardenella, she has never had overnights with him because he has never gone for them, our court system usually awards overnight at 1 year old
    Anonymous

    Comment by Anonymous (original poster) at 3:52 AM on Feb. 1, 2012

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