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Where does Baptism fit in? (S/O asking Jesus into your heart)

what role (if any) does baptism play in salvation? its mentioned in the Bible but it seems that many denominations are focusing more on the "asking Jesus into your heart" idea then baptism. maybe its b/c i was raised in a "baptism is essential for salvation" denomination, but it has always seemed like a necessary piece of the puzzle. what do these Bible verses mean in your denomination if not to show that baptism is a requirement?

Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."
Acts 2:38

And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.
Mark 1:9-11

"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Matt 28:19-20

And so John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.
Mark 1:4

Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Mark 16:16

In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand —with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.
1 Peter 3: 20b-22

disclaimer: my beliefs are no longer tied to the belief of certain requirements for salvation. i dont think those who dont believe baptism is necessary for salvation are going to hell or anything like that. im just curious how some Christian denominations can claim baptism isnt necessary when it seems from the above verses that it is. granted being raised in the Churches of Christ ive memorized these verses from birth in order to prove the CoC's "side".

 
okmanders

Asked by okmanders at 3:39 AM on May. 22, 2012 in Religious Debate

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  • I look at those Scriptures and wonder how anyone can dismiss baptism as not necessary. Granted, only God can decide our final destination and He is completely merciful. I think that both baptism and a personal relationship with Jesus are necessary. Again, God can do what He wants and welcome into Heaven someone who was not baptized, but why would anyone who is a Christian choose not to be baptized?
    Iamgr8teful

    Answer by Iamgr8teful at 1:03 PM on May. 22, 2012

  • There's a little technicality that your forgetting. No one could be saved by Spirit and Water until Christ completed his task which was to die, descend to those who were sleeping, judge, then open the gates of heaven, bringing the righteous, and rise again. The good thief was part of the group that died and were sleeping in the arms of Abraham. So when the good thief died, the gates of Heaven weren't opened yet. Actually the saving through Water and Spirit happened after Pentecost when the Apostles were bathed in the Holy Spirit. So the question is does Christ lie? If he didn't then when he told Nicodemus in John 3:5 unless you are born of the water and spirit you can't be born again. So both are necessary.
    daps

    Answer by daps at 3:31 PM on May. 22, 2012

  • The ceremony of Baptism is intended to be a sign of the new covenant, which physically shows the inward baptism (or cleansing) that takes place at regeneration - the point in which the Holy Spirit makes your spirit "reborn." For paedo-baptists (baby baptizers), baptism is done 1) because children are a part of the covenant community and 2)are also understood to be born in sin and in need of redemption. Credo-baptists (adult baptizers) performs baptism after a profession of faith is made. If a profession of faith CAN be made, then it means that the Holy Spirit has already regenerated that person and baptism is merely the outward sign confirming what has already taken place. Lutherans and Catholics (and possibly Episcopalians) believe that the baptismal ceremony is tied directly to the spiritual baptism and is therefore a mode of salvation. Some like the Presbyterians, don't believe that baptism is a mode of salvation, but ....
    -Eilish-

    Answer by -Eilish- at 11:18 AM on May. 22, 2012

  • ... that since they are a part of the covenant community and baptism is the sign of the covenant, that babies ought to be included. Baptists, and other credo-baptists believe that a profession of false must always precede the baptismal ceremony. ALL denominations do have some version of adult profession of faith - those who practice paedo-baptism, have confirmation classes which confirm the faith that these individuals were believed to have as a result of the work of the Holy Spirit, while the credo-baptists simply wait until a child can express understanding of their sin nature, need for a savior, and the Gospel.
    -Eilish-

    Answer by -Eilish- at 11:22 AM on May. 22, 2012

  • See this is what happens when scripture is taken completely out of context. To be made to fit the way some people thinks that it should be. You have to take everything in, even the OT. For the Baptism or cleansing that John the Baptist was doing is something that was done in the OT. A cleansing of yourself after confessing in public your sins. Along with a sacrifice. Not the Baptism of Salvation to completely different things.
    daps

    Answer by daps at 5:31 PM on May. 22, 2012

  • Depends on your religion, some believe it just an outward sign of a conversion. Baptism for Catholics is the transformation. Is a sacrament. The baptism does the work. Baptism is the seal and commitment

    adnilm

    Answer by adnilm at 8:04 AM on May. 22, 2012

  • Is the ceremony of baptism required for salvation? No. The thief on the cross was not baptized but was promised salvation. What IS required is the spiritual baptism - the cleansing act of the Holy Spirit which makes the spirit new, or born again. Christians, when speaking about baptism, often don't make (or don't realize) the distinction between the two.
    -Eilish-

    Answer by -Eilish- at 11:24 AM on May. 22, 2012

  • Baptism earlier does help protect you from evil spirits somewhat during your lifetime.


    Uh...not sure where you're getting that from because it's certainly not biblical. While Christians can not be possessed by evil spirits, they most certainly can be oppressed by them.


    but why would anyone who is a Christian choose not to be baptized?


    Precisely. In Acts 9:36, the eunich asked Phillip, "What prevents me from being baptized?". We are to follow Christ's example, no? I think Jesus Christ Himself getting baptized speaks volumes. If baptism is just a ritual, the only thing it can do is sever you from Christ like circumcision. How can you reach the blood of our Savior if you are not baptized into His death?

    popzaroo

    Answer by popzaroo at 5:41 AM on May. 24, 2012

  • "The thief on the cross was not baptized but was promised salvation."

    True, but that was a unique circumstance. Christ was fully human at that time. It's not like they could've gotten off those crosses, performed the baptism, then climbed back up there again. I hope that doesn't sound snarky because I honestly don't mean it that way.
    popzaroo

    Answer by popzaroo at 5:48 AM on May. 24, 2012

  • A friend that wasn't baptized used to be haunted at this house her family had moved into and then at the advice of a priest, they all got baptized, and the hauntings stopped.
    >>
    Baptized by whom? Not a Catholic priest.
    adnilm

    Answer by adnilm at 8:07 AM on May. 22, 2012

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