Shut up and enjoy your fantasy Utopia

I love how the sit down and shut up method doesn't require people to tolerate that homosexual couples wish to marry and have equal rights. I mean, if you're saying people should have to shut up and put up with prayer, etc, at gov't events, why is it so hard to shut up and put up with other people living their lives as they please when it doesn't even require your sitting through anything?

lol, not an attempt to hijack your post, NP, this whole concept is one I've always found to be a double standard, is all. The whole idea that others expect respect they're not willing to give - like demanding that people sit through their prayers and saying it's disrespectful to ask them to pray to themselves instead of out loud - is absurd to me. I mean, honestly, are we really having to argue that praying to oneself is the most respectful option, or that we should actually care about being respectful to others?

What drives me even more crazy is that those who are asking for people to pray to themselves are NOT asking that people don't pray at all. There have been *countless* suggestions given, from praying aside together beforehand or afterwards to praying to oneself during, etc, etc, etc, and the real issue is that people want to do what they want to do regardless of whether they're right or not. It's like I wouldn't go into a meeting, not knowing if everyone there eats a certain food (for religious reasons) or smokes or drinks, etc, and engage in those behaviors. The meetings aren't intended for me to eat or smoke or drink, etc, anyway, so I would expect to be told that I am wrong for engaging in those behaviors, were that to be a non-hypothetical situation.

Excellent points, bandgeek, as usual. 

I can't add anything at this time. 

 

I'm confuzzled.  Does this mean that the VD fairies like the "shut up and take it" under all circumstances, then?  Or are they in favor of people shutting up and taking it as long as it's what the majority wants?  Or are they no longer in favor of "sit down, shut up, and deal with it"?  I don't understand the meaning of the VDs.

Honestly I am not up to listening to these posts right now but I get the impression they are hate filled. No one said hate mongering is acceptable.
I personally have no problem sitting through a person ofanother faith speaking ( if it is short like a prayer of invocation) I also have no problem standing and walking out until a reasonale amount of time has passed if it is something I wish to return to. Granted I have done the former more than the later but I have done both IRL.

I, personally would rather that the prayer invocation etc. be rotated between those that would wish to offer it. So you have ten people and the Catholic has meeting #!1, muslim, #2, atheist none or an inspirational on the beauty of the atom #4, The Jew #5, the agnostic a moment of silence #6, the pagan witch a moment of silence #7, the hedonist a dissertaion on trees #8, the JV #9, the Baptist #10. The only restriction is no hate or

Maybe they just agree with the pastors in those videos and think all Jews, Catholics, Mormons and anyone who uses a pentacle is a spawn of Satan?

That's really funny, NP, especially since one of the cronies who spoke at the county commission meeting in favor of prayer continuing was none other than June Griffin (I've posted about her before) and she said as part of her speech to the commission, "I urge you to resist the Devil!"  No shit!  She really said that.  Then she followed me around afterwards (I didn't speak, but it was "guilt by association" for her) and she screamed at me that I'm a communist atheist who hates god and the country.  People are really like that.  Scary. 

For fun, you should do a google search of June Griffin to get a really good idea of what sort of person we deal with in the south. Granted, not all of them are this crazy, and those who are, aren't usually quite this fevered, but they do exist. I imagine some of our CM regulars to be very much like her. It makes me giggle.

First of all, I agree with Dardenella. Short of hate speach or just vile ranting, let everyone do their thing ~ and take turns if there is more then one main religious presence in an area or at an event. Telling people to shut up or to keep it in their home/church is just plain rude.

That being said, if it's ok to say that to Christians because 'you' don't like them, their God, or their Bible makes it fair game for any Christian to do exactly the same thing. If it's ok to silence one opinion or belief, there should not be any problem with silencing ANY opinion or belief.

If 'you' can pick and choose what is allowed, so can everyone else ~ including Christians.

If 'you' choose to bash or attempt to silence any/all religious speech/actions, the religious have the same right to bash or attempt to solence all non-religious speech/actions. That's how 'equality' works.