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Oh this will be ugly - to discriminate or not?

I debated religion vs politics for this one, but it is about Obama and what he's going to do, so probably too broad for religion.
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/05/obama.faith.based/
Obama is talking about changing the rules for faith-based initiatives. Right now, a Muslim organization does not have to hire Christians or gays, and Christian organizations, vice versa. With his new rule, no charity could accept grant money if it refused to hire people based on religion or sexual orientation, even if they consider that person's belief/orientation to be an affront to their own religion. If they lose the money, they can help less people, if they take the money, they lose their autonomy. Which is worse? (keeping in mind that there are plenty that take the money and already do not discriminate even though they could)

 
NotPanicking

Asked by NotPanicking at 12:41 PM on Feb. 5, 2009 in Politics & Current Events

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  • Private organizations should be private and not take tax dollars. It will save us all money.

    This includes ACLU, Planned Parenthood, etc.....
    MojitoMama

    Answer by MojitoMama at 1:24 PM on Feb. 5, 2009

  • I think it is wrong to force a religious belief to change based on popular ideals. If they lose money that just means that their members will have to fund their outreaches. And perhaps government money shouldn't be going to these places anyway?
    SusieD250

    Answer by SusieD250 at 12:46 PM on Feb. 5, 2009

  • "In one corner is a string of religion-backed organizations that have accepted federal funds from the 8-year-old program to advance their secular charity work. President Bush issued an executive order in 2002 that allowed these groups to continue their practice of discrimination with respect to hiring. Specifically, many of the organizations carry policies against hiring outside their religion or hiring homosexuals whose lifestyles conflict with church doctorines.

    In the other corner are separation-of-church-and-state advocates and human-rights organizations that say the government must constitutionally compel these organizations to follow nondiscrimination laws if they accept federal funding. Anything less, they say, would at best be a violation of church-state separation and at worst an implicit endorsement of discrimination"

    I'm in the OTHER corner.

    samurai_chica

    Answer by samurai_chica at 12:47 PM on Feb. 5, 2009

  • I dont think the govt should tell any religion or faith based charity how to run itself. Its that simple. There are alot of non profits that are religious based that will lose funding if the people donating believe they have someone there who doesnt fit into what they choose to believe in. Heres a hypothetical example:
    Mom & Dad donated $100 a month to catholic charities bc they are catholic and believe in donating to organizations that emphasize their beliefs. They do so unde the assumption the common beliefs will be represented in this charity. A month later they find out a gay man is working there which is against the churches teachings. They stop donating and report the agency to the arch diocess. The charity is shut down.
    gemgem

    Answer by gemgem at 12:48 PM on Feb. 5, 2009

  • Isn't the whole point of a faith bases initiative to let groups of people of a certain faith, base their workings for public good for the people of their faith? Jews help Jews, Catholics help Catholics and so on in time of need? If we had a bunch of groups of just any core belief all working for a public good how could they get anything done? They would spend their days fighting over which God is the real God,or which Doctrine is the right one.
    Am I understanding this right?
    It would just be groups of poeple fighting all day if they get the money to begin with to form a group to begin with.
    We are most segregated as a Nation on Sunday mornings.
    akinbottom2

    Answer by akinbottom2 at 12:48 PM on Feb. 5, 2009

  • I ditto gemgem and akin!
    blessed5x

    Answer by blessed5x at 12:54 PM on Feb. 5, 2009

  • How are you gonna discriminate if you believe in GOD??? I dont care what your beliefs are. Arent we all God's children whether we are gay, straight or whatever? People do not choose to what they are. They deserve love and respect like any one of us.
    aznblond9

    Answer by aznblond9 at 12:55 PM on Feb. 5, 2009

  • Secular Progressives will be the demise of American Values, community organizations, and charitable organizations who look out for the greater good..
    Anonymous

    Answer by Anonymous at 12:55 PM on Feb. 5, 2009

  • Blah blah blah...obama, obama, obama
    Anonymous

    Answer by Anonymous at 12:59 PM on Feb. 5, 2009

  • Akinbottom - not necessarily. For example, my church has founded a large community outreach program that offers monetary, counseling and material support to those that need it. While the church founded it and primarily funds it, the program also gets donations from a ton of other places - other churches, organizations, businesses and individuals and the help goes to anyone who needs it. They don't care if you're a member of the congregation or green Lurlinist, you need the help, you get it. :)

    To the OP though, I think it stinks that a private organization can be forced to go against their own core beliefs to match some else's social agenda. Separation of church and state goes both ways. The *state* can't designate a national religion...but nor should the state dictate doctrine for any denomination. Grants? Loans?
    ldmrmom

    Answer by ldmrmom at 1:00 PM on Feb. 5, 2009

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