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Will this work?

Hopefully the first of many, or it's enough to get them all shut down, but the SPLC is involved in a suit charging a bible-based ex-gay conversion group with fraud.  Will this finally be enough to get all the abusers shut down?

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NotPanicking

Asked by NotPanicking at 2:24 PM on Dec. 2, 2012 in Religious Debate

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  • It won't be enough but it's a step in the right direction.

    "Downing and other JONAH counselors also used techniques that left clients alienated from their families. These techniques encouraged clients to blame their parents for being gay, going so far as to have clients participate in violent role play exercises where they beat effigies of their mothers."

    Un freaking believable
    Mrs_Prissy

    Answer by Mrs_Prissy at 2:27 PM on Dec. 2, 2012

  • I don't know, but I think it is a great first step! I think it will depend on the outcome.
    kmath

    Answer by kmath at 2:27 PM on Dec. 2, 2012

  • I would hope that it shuts down some of the groups due to the fear of being sued. But, unfortunately fraud has been around in the church for decades, if not centuries, now.
    3libras

    Answer by 3libras at 2:46 PM on Dec. 2, 2012

  • The number one thing that will stamp out this nonsense is societal acceptance. When folks stop feeling marginalized they won't fall prey to charlatans offering a release from being an outsider.
    tessiedawg

    Answer by tessiedawg at 3:32 PM on Dec. 2, 2012

  • i think a bigger step would be the pro-gay Christian side gaining more ground or attention, showing those who feel marginalized or treated as less than that not all Christians see them that way, and they needn't either. i think it would help take some of the pressure off, not that Christians have to approve homosexuality in order for them not to feel that way, just that i think it would help if instead of just judgment and prejudice they saw acceptance and actual love from Christians, if you get what i mean
    bandgeek521

    Answer by bandgeek521 at 4:28 PM on Dec. 2, 2012

  • lets hope so.

    anon...while JONAH is a Jewish group the vast majority of ex-gay groups that use false & outdated psychology to shame ppl into thinking they are scum that have angered God are Christian based.
    okmanders

    Answer by okmanders at 2:01 PM on Dec. 3, 2012

  • A person should seek therapy if they are uncomfortable with their sexuality for any reason. If you are a woman who is always attracted to the bad boy, for example. Or if you are chronically sexually unfaithful.... But this stuff ISNT therapy. It is creating for more issues than it is healing.... those poor participants. My heart hurts for them.
    Nimue930

    Answer by Nimue930 at 2:51 PM on Dec. 2, 2012

  • "It's a Jewish based group who uses the Bible????"

    Ummmm... do I even bother explaining? It's called the Old Testament, hun. And btw... there are many Christian based groups like this out there where they do horrible things to people in order to "pray the gay away". It's considered by these groups to be therapy, but it's really just abuse.
    anime_mom619

    Answer by anime_mom619 at 5:27 PM on Dec. 3, 2012

  • Oh, and no one is saying all Christians, or all religious people condone violence against a group of people. What I think people are saying is that the attitudes of some very religious people regarding homosexuality is what leads SOME of these religious zealots to form these therapy groups.
    anime_mom619

    Answer by anime_mom619 at 5:32 PM on Dec. 3, 2012

  • "It's a Jewish based group who uses the Bible???? Jews don't believe in the New Testament. That should set off alarms that these are not true Jews but a break away group. "

    Wait. What?
    Mrs_Prissy

    Answer by Mrs_Prissy at 4:40 PM on Dec. 3, 2012

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