Firefly scene in which Shepard Book finds River Tam altering his Bible:
Book: What are we up to, sweetheart?
River: Fixing your Bible.
Book: I, um…
River: Bible’s broken. Contradictions, false logistics – doesn’t make sense.
[she's marked up the bible, crossed out passages and torn out pages]
Book: No, no. You-you-you can’t…
River: So we’ll integrate non-progressional evolution theory with God’s creation of Eden. Eleven inherent metaphoric parallels already there. Eleven. Important number. Prime number. One goes into the house of eleven eleven times, but always comes out one. Noah’s ark is a problem.
River: We’ll have to call it early quantum state phenomenon. Only way to fit 5000 species of mammal on the same boat.
[rips out page]
Book: River, you don’t fix the Bible.
River: It’s broken. It doesn’t make sense.
Book: It’s not about making sense. It’s about believing in something, and letting that belief be real enough to change your life. It’s about faith. You don’t fix faith, River. It fixes you.
I think Whedon really caught the dynamic between atheist and evangelical there.
Atheist: This doesn’t make sense.
Christian: You have to feel it!
Atheist: But is it real?
Christian: That’s not the point, it works!
As Zach Alexander pointed out in his review of Faitheist, to most atheists epistemology is important. But to progressive Christians, fussing over the number of animals on the ark misses the point completely.
Answer by anng.atlanta at 8:38 AM on Feb. 15, 2013
Answer by Anonymous at 8:01 AM on Feb. 15, 2013
No, they're not. The point is that it's not in any way logical to have blind faith in something that is so ridiculously full of fallacies and, has not be proven in any single way.
If someone completely believed our current government, you'd call them a fool or naive. But, the government has actually been proven to exist, as compared to God, & our nation's bi-laws actually contain less fallacies than the Bible.
So maybe, it's not the atheists missing the point at all.
Answer by 3libras at 8:12 AM on Feb. 15, 2013
Answer by sahmamax2 at 9:15 AM on Feb. 15, 2013
Answer by momto2boys973 at 9:19 AM on Feb. 15, 2013
Atheist aren't missing jack shit
Answer by LostSoul88 at 9:21 AM on Feb. 15, 2013
Answer by bandgeek521 at 9:33 AM on Feb. 15, 2013
Answer by KristiS11384 at 11:53 AM on Feb. 15, 2013
Answer by FreeForAll at 12:26 PM on Feb. 15, 2013
No, not at all. I think we realize that the point of religious faith is to remove the burden of critical thinking and responsibility for the lives we are living and what we are leaving to the future generations. We know that leaving things to "faith" is to refuse personal responsibility for finding solutions to problems - to leave it to a "higher authority", then when things don't work out, tell oneself that "God just has other plans for me", like helpless little puppets that rely on the manipulations of an invisible puppeteer. We totally get the attraction of faith, we are simply attracted to something more tangible.
Answer by jsbenkert at 12:55 PM on Feb. 15, 2013
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