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If the leadership doesn't represent the members, why aren't the members speaking up?

Southern Baptists Convention’s Embarrassing Poll

The poll covered Americans in general, then broke down the stats by people overall and people who specifically self-identify as born-again, evangelical, or fundamentalist Christians.

Americans: 58% believe gay marriage is a civil right, 64% think gay marriage legalization is inevitable

The self-identified group (the ones who should all agree with the views of the SBC): less than 20% believe employers should be allowed to discriminate against gay employees, less than 40% believe landlords should be allowed to discriminate against gay tenants 

Either that's a statistical anomaly with odds so great it would win the lottery, or 80% and 60% respectively of the members of SBC churches feel the same.

If it's the minority of members are so opposed to gay rights, why are the majority of members sitting by while that conference lobbies against them in Washington, preaches to their congregations to support anti-gay candidates, and counsels their congregation's pastors to teach anti-gay curriculum in Sunday school and bible study?

Wouldn't the logical choice be to either publicly denounce the leadership or to leave the denom for one more in line with their beliefs? 


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NotPanicking

Asked by NotPanicking at 5:17 PM on Mar. 12, 2013 in Religious Debate

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  • But there are certain things, most often pertaining to Christ and his work on the cross, that if they are misinterpreted or twisted, means the difference between life and death.

    You keep dodging the question - does a Catholic have the power to declare a baptist not a real Christian for not taking communion which is transubstantiated? Does a baptist have the power to declare a Catholic not a real Christian for taking communion and believing it is transubstantiated?
    NotPanicking

    Comment by NotPanicking (original poster) at 5:20 PM on Mar. 23, 2013

  • Different interpretations are not that far off. Most denoms can agree to disagree on many of the practices that they differ on. Most are not vitally important. But there are certain things, most often pertaining to Christ and his work on the cross, that if they are misinterpreted or twisted, means the difference between life and death.
    NikkiMomof2grls

    Answer by NikkiMomof2grls at 4:57 PM on Mar. 23, 2013

  • Christ made me a Christian, not a church.

    If a church is preaching false doctrine it is the responsibility of the Christian to know it, to address it, and possibly to leave that church. One can only do that if they are praciticing Christians. As for the church that is preaching the false doctrine, according to the Bible they must repent. Christ made it clear that the way you live and the words you speak are of the utmost importance. It is each one's responsibility to keep oneself in check and also to rebuke others when they are out of line. Lives are at stake.
    NikkiMomof2grls

    Answer by NikkiMomof2grls at 4:49 PM on Mar. 23, 2013

  • Jesus appointed all Christians to know who is real and who is false.

    So people who attend different churches than you have the power to kick you out of Christianity because you don't interpret things the same way they do?
    NotPanicking

    Comment by NotPanicking (original poster) at 7:21 PM on Mar. 19, 2013

  • I am Christian. I don't hate gays. I don't hate anyone. But I definitely believe what God says.Jesus appointed all Christians to know who is real and who is false. Matthew 7:15-20. If you don't know the truth from the false then you can't know anything at all.
    NikkiMomof2grls

    Answer by NikkiMomof2grls at 7:14 PM on Mar. 19, 2013

  • There is alot of false doctrine being preached in many of the churches today. We are living in a world that is rapidly changing. Christians are listening to what everyone else in the world is saying, not what God is saying. It creates a spirit of confusion, in church just as it does in the world, but more so. There are many people who can't even find a true Biblical church to attend and even fewer who know what false doctrine is when they hear it. There have always been differences in certain practices and beliefs that should not cause any division. But there are certain matters that are vitally important and the Bible makes those very clear.
    NikkiMomof2grls

    Answer by NikkiMomof2grls at 7:10 PM on Mar. 19, 2013

  • Quite often people are born into a Christian family, consider themselves Christian but don't practice the faith at all. There are those who claim to be Christian, truly think they are Christian and even go to church every Sunday but still do not practice the faith in reality. There are those who are on their way in or out of the faith, lingering on the fence and decide to still afiliate themselves with the faith.


    So you're saying that "real" Christians hate gays and the ones who say they don't aren't "real" Christians, but don't realize it?

    Incidentally, when did Jesus appoint you to decide which Christians were the "real" ones and which one's weren't? If you have the power to declare others to be "not real", doesn't that, in turn, give members of all the denoms you don't practice the same power to declare you not a "real" Christian?
    NotPanicking

    Comment by NotPanicking (original poster) at 7:01 PM on Mar. 19, 2013

  • This is why polls are often terribly inaccurate. They cannot measure anything but what people are willing to admit or what they are willing to lie about. Not to mention the people who are confused. Quite often people are born into a Christian family, consider themselves Christian but don't practice the faith at all. There are those who claim to be Christian, truly think they are Christian and even go to church every Sunday but still do not practice the faith in reality. There are those who are on their way in or out of the faith, lingering on the fence and decide to still afiliate themselves with the faith.

    The Christian religion is built on a personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ and to live a life guided by the Holy Spirit. He is our leader and none is above Him. Christians are supposed to read their Bible, study it and learn it enough to know if what their leaders are teaching is Biblical. cont.
    NikkiMomof2grls

    Answer by NikkiMomof2grls at 6:58 PM on Mar. 19, 2013

  • Yes gdiamante, it's very hypocritical. Just because someone attends church does not make them a Christian or even a good person. You have to look at their actions to see their heart. I am a Christian and advocate going to church but I'm not blind to what goes on.
    missanc

    Answer by missanc at 9:37 AM on Mar. 13, 2013

  • Interesting, missanc. Because the people you describe sound a bit like the hypocrites Christ railed against! I guess they're building their treasure on Earth.
    gdiamante

    Answer by gdiamante at 1:03 AM on Mar. 13, 2013

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