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When is it okay to discriminate? *Update at bottom of post*

We've discussed stories where florists and bakers have refused service to gay couples, with some defending the business owners, and others defending the same-sex couples.

If a business were to turn away a group of people because they weren't Christian enough, would that be okay?  If they were to turn away a group of people because they were black, would that be okay?  If they were to turn away a group of people because they were Muslim or Jewish, would that be okay?

Is it okay for a business to turn away a group of people who were there for a fundraiser because the group was raising funds for a camp for children of freethinkers?

It happened in Oklahoma.

Camp Quest Oklahoma was just kicked out of their own fundraiser for being atheists! (self.atheism)

submitted 2 hours ago* by azure8472

Picture summarizing the situation!

Camp Quest Oklahoma organized a fundraiser dinner at a local BBQ chain, Oklahoma Joe's BBQ. They planned and advertised the event for weeks. Once the group and their supporters were there buying food, the group was forced to leave due to their affiliation with a secular/atheist group.

From the camp director:

For those who had planned to come out tonight and support Camp Quest we thank you. We hope you spread the word about what happened. This isn't just about us being discriminated against, but our campers being punished for it. So I hope you consider donating directly to us. This is why we have Camp Quest, this is so our campers can attend a camp and have a week where they won't have to fear about being different or discriminated against for being themselves.

Support Camp Quest's work! Donations support camperships (which offset the cost for families with financial need), buy telescopes, etc. All staff are volunteers.

Edit: Camp Quest is the summer camp for secular families. I can't describe it any better than what's on the about Camp Quest page.

Camp Quest provides an educational adventure shaped by fun, friends and freethought, featuring science, natural wonder and humanist values. Values we teach: integrity, empathy, creativity, critical thinking, and community. Camp Quest envisions a world in which children grow up exploring, thinking for themselves, connecting with their communities, and acting to make the most of life for themselves and others.

Edit 2: According to the restaurant

They were not asked to leave. Oklahoma Joe's Regrets that the facilitators of the event did not fully disclose their beliefs. These beliefs do not align with the christian philosophy of our organization and we cannot financially contribute to their cause. We will provide service to anyone. Joe Davidson.

But really, CQOK made flyers explaining Camp Quest and its mission, which presumably the restaurant approved beforehand since it was the "ticket" to the fundraiser.

Edit 3: Thanks to everyone who has done the legwork on figuring out what really happened. See davemuscato's post below. If you are angry, disappointed, etc. consider donating a few dollars to Camp Quest. That was the goal of the fundraiser tonight - to raise money to send kids to camp.

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At least we know that discrimination is alive and well in the U.S. of A.!

Here is another post by the Friendly Atheist.  He includes the flier that was distributed by Camp Quest, and the notice that the restaurant posted informing CQ and its supporters that Oklahoma Joe's will not host or support the fundraiser.

Answer Question

Asked by jsbenkert at 10:25 PM on Apr. 8, 2013 in Religious Debate

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  • Its NEVER okay to discriminate!!!

    Answer by pinkdragon36 at 10:29 PM on Apr. 8, 2013

  • That is absolutely not okay, and I hope the culprits get sued from here to hell for it. If it's not right to discriminate against people of different religions, which it isn't, then it is certainly not right to discriminate against atheists, either. There was probably a violated contract, since the fundraiser was advertised and set up through a restaurant chain.

    Answer by Ballad at 10:51 PM on Apr. 8, 2013

  • i think its one thing to discriminate ahead of time, having an established bigotry that they are allowed per their rights...they also have the right to lose business per their idiot ways.

    but deciding to discriminate in the middle of an event...thats HORRIBLE! and they should take legal action against the restaurant. if OK Joes didnt ask about their beliefs when they signed up then they owe the organization the 10% from the sales made. you cant just decide after the fact not to give the donations you promised.

    Answer by okmanders at 11:19 PM on Apr. 8, 2013

  • Never okay to discriminate

    Answer by Shaketa123 at 11:36 PM on Apr. 8, 2013

  • Is this from a blog or something? I can't find a link when I search for it.
    Be that as it may, no I do not think a situation like this is acceptable. This is most clearly discrimination (if it actually occurred, as I said I can't find any story anywhere)

    Answer by Dardenella at 11:50 PM on Apr. 8, 2013

  • chick fil a does it. if they find out your gay they won't serve you. they were in the news about a few years ago. it's funny the bible says love your neighbor and treat everyone the way you want to be treated but for some reason no one ever quotes them.

    sorry to say it but christians are the first and fastest person to stab you in the back! i know that from experience.

    Answer by noel1978 at 2:01 AM on Apr. 9, 2013

  • NEVER!!!

    Answer by older at 7:11 AM on Apr. 9, 2013

  • It's never okay to discriminate. If they want to refuse service because a customer is rude, or isn't dressed appropriately (I'm talking "no shoes, no shrt", not someone wearing a cross or dressed like a Muslim), or something like that, that is fine and absolutely within their rights. But I don't feel there's ever any reason to refuse service to someone based on their religion, race, etc..

    Answer by wendythewriter at 8:05 AM on Apr. 9, 2013

  • Dardenella, I don't think this was reported in the news, but rather through the organization Camp Quest.

    It's funny to me that the restaurant owner said that they promote "Christian values", and the flier states the values that Camp Quest strives to instill and encourage (integrity, empathy, creativity, critical thinking, and community) in the children who attend the camp.  The camp isn't "anti-Christian", and I don't think anyone could argue with the values the camp strives to instill.  This is bigotry, pure and simple.  The business only wants to promote the Christian "value" that involves worship of their particular god - not the other values that make this world better for all.


    Comment by jsbenkert (original poster) at 8:38 AM on Apr. 9, 2013

  • A business can promote what ever it like because that is honestly charity and I have no problem with that. But when you have agreed and all has been put in place, that is a contract andshould be honored. As long as the camp fundraiser were acting within the agreement , the business had no just cause to cancel the event. The cause thy gave was discriminatory.

    Answer by Dardenella at 11:14 AM on Apr. 9, 2013

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