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Explain this logic - pay the rabbi to torture your husband so you can remarry without sin...

Feds Charge 2 Orthodox Rabbis, 2 Others, In Kidnap and Torture Plans Against Husbands Who Refuse Wives A Religious Divorce

Two Orthodox rabbis and two other men were arrested last night in New York and New Jersey on federal charges (full text of criminal complaint) of plotting to kidnap and torture a man to force him to grant his wife a Jewish divorce (get).  AP, the New York Daily News and the Newark Star-Ledger all have stories on the arrest of 68-year old Brooklyn Rabbi Mendel Epstein and Rabbi Martin Wolmark  who allegedly charged women tens of thousands of dollars to use violence against their recalcitrant husbands who refuse to grant a Jewish divorce after a civil divorce has been obtained.  An Orthodox woman cannot remarry in a religious ceremony without a get.

Police also arrested two other men-- Ariel Potash whose role was to act as the wife's agent to accept the get in the religious divorce ceremony, and a man identified only as "Yaakov" who was apparently one of the "toughs."  As many as 6 other people may also be charged in the case which grew out of a similar 2011 case brought against Rabbi David Wax and his wife. (See prior posting.) Wax is now apparently cooperating with authorities. Last night's arrests came after two undercover agents-- one posing as a wife and the other as her brother-- were charged $10,000 for approval by a rabbinical court of a kidnapping and $50,000 to $60,000 to pay those who roughed up the purported husband.  A rabbinical court in Monsey, New York, presided over by Rabbi Wolmark, actually approved the kidnapping plan last week by issuing a ruling (psak din) after the purported husband failed to respond to a contempt order (seruv) issued by the religious court. [Thanks to Failed Messiah blog for the link to the complaint.]


Seriously...where to start with this one?  How on earth did the rabbis spin this to the wives to make it ok to torture someone?  You'd think kidnapping and beating someone would be more aggregious than remarrying in the big picture.

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Asked by NotPanicking at 9:14 AM on Oct. 11, 2013 in Religious Debate

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  • Bad joke first: I wonder when the Catholics are going to start doing this for annulments. LOL

    Seriously though, if you have to torture someone to follow your religious tenants, then you need to re-evaluate your religion.

    Answer by 3libras at 10:00 AM on Oct. 11, 2013

  • Sounds like a Jewish mafia.

    Answer by anng.atlanta at 10:22 AM on Oct. 11, 2013

  • This is horrid. If you have to pay someone to beat someone else up then you have already left your faith.

    Answer by baconbits at 10:39 AM on Oct. 11, 2013

  • Logic? There's none in that.

    Answer by Ballad at 11:04 AM on Oct. 11, 2013

  • Catholics do not need the other person's consent to get an annulment. FYI

    Answer by Dardenella at 11:19 AM on Oct. 11, 2013

  • Catholics do not need the other person's consent to get an annulment. FYI

    Irrelevant AND misleading. The other person's consent is not required, but if they actively oppose it, it will likely be denied, especially if the marriage lasted longer than a Kardashian's.

    Comment by NotPanicking (original poster) at 11:31 AM on Oct. 11, 2013

  • Catholics do not need the other person's consent to get an annulment. FYI

    Awww, someone got offended by my joke.

    Answer by 3libras at 11:40 AM on Oct. 11, 2013

  • no fun allowed Libras you know this, it offends ---- GAG!

    Answer by luvmygrandgirl at 12:05 PM on Oct. 11, 2013

  • ^^^The truly ironic part is that most of my family is Catholic. I went to mass occasionally as a child, it just never "took". And, since my dad is a non-believer it was not forced on me. So, my "joke" could also pertain to family members. But, they're cool & wouldn't get offended. ;)

    Answer by 3libras at 12:12 PM on Oct. 11, 2013

  • Now back to the funny image of Rabbi's with baseball bats. LOL

    Answer by 3libras at 12:13 PM on Oct. 11, 2013

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