don't believe that salvation is an offer you have to accept from Christ in order to go to Heaven? Ephesians says:
1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:"
1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
This doctrine is tied to that of free election and sovereign grace. I want to build a group for those who have this belief or want to know more about it. I'm not trying to change anyone's beliefs. Please only respond if this sound intriguing or if it's what you believe.
Answer by Anonymous at 4:08 PM on Mar. 27, 2009
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Answer by callmeann at 5:27 PM on Mar. 27, 2009
Shaneagle, That's why this doctrine is also called sovereign grace. We believe that God chose a people according to His own sovereign will and not according to any worthiness on the part of the person. We believe it is clear in the scriptures that not everyone will be in Heaven, and since Jesus came to save His (God's)people, we believe that the bible is only written to the elect. (Don't worry, I have scriptures to cite but I ran over the character limit. Please read on....)
Answer by callmeann at 5:52 PM on Mar. 27, 2009
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Answer by callmeann at 5:58 PM on Mar. 27, 2009
(cont. from abovve) And just in case it appears that this means that God makes the overture in order for you to be made able to understand and then you can reject him and choose death, remember that John 6:37 says that "...all that the Father giveth me shall come to me...." It's obvious that not everyone who reads the bible loves God, so unless He calls them later, it has no use for them. (remember the above verses in Romans) Therefore, we believe that the bible is not written to anyone who can not come because obviously, it has no value to anyone not given to Christ by the Father.
There is so much more in the scriptures regarding God choosing a people and regeneration coming before belief. I had to keep this short but rest assured, I know that six verses do not a doctrine prove.
Answer by callmeann at 6:20 PM on Mar. 27, 2009