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Soldiers were punished for Abu Ghraib, why not the people who ORDERED that treatment?

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/22/us.torture.karpinski/index.html?section=cnn_latest
She said she was a scapegoat. She said she was just following orders. She said she was demoted unfairly.
Retired Army Col. Janis Karpinski was one of two officers punished over Abu Ghraib.


Now, retired Army Col. Janis Karpinski can say: I told you so.

Karpinski was one of two officers punished over the aggressive interrogations at the notorious Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. Pictures of detainees caused outrage around the world when they were leaked to the news media in May 2004. The photos showed naked prisoners stacked on top of each other or being threatened by dogs or hooded and wired up as if for electrocution.

 
sweet-a-kins

Asked by sweet-a-kins at 8:21 PM on Apr. 22, 2009 in Politics & Current Events

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  • The soldiers were nothing more than stoolies for those higher up. In 2006 Congress attempted to call the Gov. officials involved in this on the carpet and they used the "its not illegal if the President ordered it" card, they refused to be questioned and they LIED (anyone remember Nixon). Some heads had to roll for the reported torture to keep the whole thing quiet. So they prosecuted the soldiers who followed orders, knowing that the citizens would just let the whole thing fade into history. For the most part it did, but some didn't forget and Obama during his campaign talked about torture practices and that he disagreed with the practice and that he felt those responsible should be brought to justice. If I'm wearing a tin foil hat, that's fine, at least I'm more receptive to alternative viewpoints and the possibility that things are not always as they seem to be, which is much more preferable than wearing blinders!
    Anonymous

    Answer by Anonymous at 3:04 PM on Apr. 23, 2009

  • Karpinski, then a brigadier general and commander of Abu Ghraib, was demoted to colonel because of the scandal. A second officer, Col. Thomas Pappas, the commander of the military intelligence unit assigned to Abu Ghraib when the offenses occurred, was relieved of duty and fined in May 2005. Seven low-ranking guards and two military intelligence soldiers -- described by then-Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz as "bad apples" -- were disciplined.

    The memo, by then-Assistant Attorney General Jay Bybee and then-Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General Steven G. Bradbury, allowed the use of such tactics as keeping a detainee naked and in some cases in a diaper, and putting detainees on a liquid diet. One memo said aggressive techniques such as waterboarding, sleep deprivation and slapping did not violate laws against torture absent the intent to cause severe pain.

    sweet-a-kins

    Answer by sweet-a-kins at 8:21 PM on Apr. 22, 2009

  • Yeh, why not?
    writeon

    Answer by writeon at 8:29 PM on Apr. 22, 2009

  • doesn't sound like torture to me.
    decapitating them after a disembowelment, and sending the videos to the web sounds like torture to me.
    Anonymous

    Answer by Anonymous at 8:29 PM on Apr. 22, 2009

  • the higher ups should be punished as well. but you can also refuse orders if they are unlawful or against religious beliefs. so they could have refused to treat them the way they did
    vabchmommy

    Answer by vabchmommy at 8:33 PM on Apr. 22, 2009

  • vabchmommy, I do not agree, the servicemen need to follow orders PERIOD Otherwise it makes our force weaker. It could also get them in trouble for not following orders. You can't have soldiers , especially during a war, questioning orders...
    sweet-a-kins

    Answer by sweet-a-kins at 8:37 PM on Apr. 22, 2009

  • because sadly, that's how the military works.
    JackalsWife

    Answer by JackalsWife at 8:39 PM on Apr. 22, 2009

  • makes no sense, voting for obama made our country weaker and you support that.
    he makes us weaker every week.
    Anonymous

    Answer by Anonymous at 8:39 PM on Apr. 22, 2009

  • makes no sense, voting for obama made our country weaker and you support that. he makes us weaker every week.


    No he doesn't

    sweet-a-kins

    Answer by sweet-a-kins at 8:40 PM on Apr. 22, 2009

  • The story of that mutation emerges in disquieting detail in a new report by the Senate Armed Services Committee (SASC) on the treatment of detainees in U.S. custody. It shows how U.S. interrogators at Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay and camps in Afghanistan based some of their interrogations on techniques taken from the military's Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape (SERE) training program. These techniques included waterboarding, walling (slamming detainees into a flexible wall), sleep deprivation, hooding and using dogs to inspire fear. (See pictures of life inside Guantanamo.)
    sweet-a-kins

    Answer by sweet-a-kins at 8:42 PM on Apr. 22, 2009

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