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Healthcare Reform or Healthcare Debacle?

After watching the news and researching the things that have been said about healthcare the past couple of weeks I have come to the conclusion along with many others that this isn't going to happen without great pain to Americans. Everything they run out here is going to cost Americans money, care, time or all of the above and they don't want it. There is no proof it will work if done and then what? There is no proof costs will go down and there will be no waits. The Dems have now said forget the Republicans, no more bipartisanship, just get this done by Obamas deadline.
Say you have no insurance, why would you not just want the government to give you $5000 to get your own policy? Are you holding out for free healthcare? Is it because it is a Republican idea?
It would be so much cheaper and sensible to get your own. We would still come out on top and do the other things to cut costs also.

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itsmesteph11

Asked by itsmesteph11 at 4:31 PM on Jul. 8, 2009 in Politics & Current Events

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  • It's still money either way. Change is usually painful. No one likes change. But sometimes it is a necessary evil. Our healthcare system is not positive in my opinion and would benefit from an upheaval.
    preggoandfat

    Answer by preggoandfat at 4:42 PM on Jul. 8, 2009

  • Part of the argument is that one person shopping around for insurance doesn't have much clout to get the insurance companies to lower their costs. The Obama Administration has already gotten insurance companies and doctors to cut their costs so that health care can be more affordable. One person with a $5,000 voucher for health care couldn't do that.
    beckcorc

    Answer by beckcorc at 4:43 PM on Jul. 8, 2009

  • "The Obama Administration has already gotten insurance companies and doctors to cut their costs so that health care can be more affordable."

    No they haven't. The AMA, which represents SOME but not all doctors, has said they will work with Obama, However, they can't speak for all the doctors, nor can they agree to reduce costs for all their members. Ditto with the insurance companies.

    Besides, if the insurance companies and doctors HAD agreed to that, we wouldn't need reform, would we?
    mancosmomma

    Answer by mancosmomma at 4:57 PM on Jul. 8, 2009

  • The Obama Administration has already gotten insurance companies and doctors to cut their costs so that health care can be more affordable.---------------------------

    Ahhhh they said they would work with him.
    PestPatti

    Answer by PestPatti at 5:15 PM on Jul. 8, 2009

  • I think it would be a disaster of a debacle!


    I made a journal about what a mess the Massachusetts state-run health care program is in, a mere 6 years after implementing it...and it was approved by a Democratic Congress and then Republican Governor Mitt Romney!


    My Journal


    Then, of course there is this little fact of employers dropping their private group plans for employees and paying the small fine in order to save tens of thousands of dollars on a private plan, forcing employers to join the rank and file of "free" government ObamaCare.

    LoriKeet

    Answer by LoriKeet at 5:24 PM on Jul. 8, 2009

  • beckcorc-- I just googled individual & family health insurance plan costs, and found this site. I entered a NJ zip code (since they're  one of the most expensive states to live in), and got the following results:


    https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ehi/IFPAllPlans.ds?ehi.selectedFilterTab=18&ehi.BannerClicked=&ehi.st.reset_payment_type=Y&mcei.app.terminalID=__tid__2_


    The most expensive HMO plan with a $30 co-pay and $0 deductable for a FAMILY is $500 (there were more and less expensive plans as well) was $500 which would be $6000 a year.  With a $5000 voucher that would bring your premium costs to about $83/month...surely you could afford that!

    LoriKeet

    Answer by LoriKeet at 5:42 PM on Jul. 8, 2009

  • Very interesting Lori thanks! ...Some need to realize how much the govy has ruined that they have aquired control of and how once they get that control even if it doesn't go well we ARE STUCK WITH IT!
    tnmomofive

    Answer by tnmomofive at 5:45 PM on Jul. 8, 2009

  • Thanks Lori! I think many people who say they cannot find healthcare or it is too expensive are just saying it without any cause. They don't even really look. All it takes is a google and you have a hundred companies to pick from.
    If the government would let consumers go across state line the prices would be lower also. Some people have their heads so deep in the sand..........
    I don't see how everyone paying higher costs and taxes, losing the level of care most have and waits for treatments is better than $5000 to you to get decent insurance at an affordable price.
    Thats what i hear everyone say they want. "I think everyone should be able to get affordable insurance" How many times have you heard that?
    itsmesteph11

    Answer by itsmesteph11 at 5:59 PM on Jul. 8, 2009

  • "The AMA, which represents SOME but not all doctors, has said they will work with Obama, However, they can't speak for all the doctors"

    I didn't say ALL doctors either.

    Lori - wouldn't $5,000 per year to each family also be pretty expensive? And it doesn't address a lot of the fundamental problems with the health care industry now.
    beckcorc

    Answer by beckcorc at 6:26 PM on Jul. 8, 2009

  • Beckcorc-

    Besides the 'high cost of healthcare', what are 'the fundamental problems with the industry?'
    lovinangels

    Answer by lovinangels at 6:55 PM on Jul. 8, 2009

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