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Health care advocates. ..

Could you please tell me, what part of the actual bill you support? Please use an actual section and language of the bill to support your answer, not quotes from the summary, table of contents, or Obama.

Also, do you understand that going down this road does not only display a huge amount of trust in this administration, but all those to come?

 
lovinangels

Asked by lovinangels at 6:12 AM on Aug. 14, 2009 in Politics & Current Events

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  • Sure, great if the government plan cannot deny your pre-existing conditions, but do you honestly think your "condition" is the only one, and that you'll be seen by a doctor for said condition within a REASONABLE amount of time--you know while such condition can be effectively addressed/managed?

    How do you know that your condition is even on the "Top 100" of conditions to be prioritized? You see, what is important to you, may not be important to the government. And when the money dries up (and it will, because we are broke NOW), you'll STILL be left without care for your condition--even though the bill says it won;t deny you!

    Do you see the vagueness and "semantics" in all of this? You can't technically be denied, but you won't necessarily be taken care of either. And whats to say the doctor will give you the BEST drug or attentiveness for your need(s)? You'll be just a number, and likely seen by nurses/LPNs not MDs!!
    LoriKeet

    Answer by LoriKeet at 7:05 AM on Aug. 14, 2009

  • 18 SEC. 111. PROHIBITING PRE-EXISTING CONDITION EXCLU19
    SIONS.
    20 A qualified health benefits plan may not impose any
    21 pre-existing condition exclusion (as defined in section
    22 2701(b)(1)(A) of the Public Health Service Act) or other23
    wise impose any limit or condition on the coverage under
    24 the plan with respect to an individual or dependent based
    25 on any health status-related factors (as defined in section
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    1 2791(d)(9) of the Public Health Service Act) in relation
    2 to the individual or dependent.

    (b) STUDY AND REPORTS.—
    23 (1) STUDY.—The Commissioner, in coordina24
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    Jafra_mommy

    Answer by Jafra_mommy at 6:48 AM on Aug. 14, 2009

  • group insured and self-insured
    1
    1 employer health care markets. Such study shall ex2
    amine the following:
    3 (A) The types of employers by key charac4
    teristics, including size, that purchase insured
    5 products versus those that self-insure.
    6 (B) The similarities and differences be7
    tween typical insured and self-insured health
    8 plans.
    9 (C) The financial solvency and capital re10
    serve levels of employers that self-insure by em11
    ployer size.
    12 (D) The risk of self-insured employers not
    13 being able to pay obligations or otherwise be14
    coming financially insolvent.
    15 (E) The extent to which rating rules are
    16 likely to cause adverse selection in the large
    17 group market or to encourage small and mid
    encourage small and mid
    18 size employers to self-insure

    NONDISCRIMINATION IN BENEFITS.—A qualified
    12 health benefits plan shall comply
    Jafra_mommy

    Answer by Jafra_mommy at 6:50 AM on Aug. 14, 2009

  • standards estab13
    lished by the Commissioner to prohibit discrimination in
    14 health benefits or benefit structures for qualifying health
    15 benefits plans, building from sections 702 of Employee
    16 Retirement Income Security Act of 1974, 2702 of the
    17 Public Health Service Act, and section 9802 of the Inter18
    nal Revenue Code of 1986.
    (a) IN GENERAL.—A qualified health benefits plan
    19 shall meet a medical loss ratio as defined by the Commis20
    sioner. For any plan year in which the qualified health
    21 benefits plan does not meet such medical loss ratio, QHBP
    22 offering entity shall provide in a manner specified by the
    23 Commissioner for rebates to enrollees of payment suffi24
    cient to meet such loss ratio.

    I'm only on page 24... I could keep going if you'd like.
    Jafra_mommy

    Answer by Jafra_mommy at 6:52 AM on Aug. 14, 2009

  • Jafra_mommy, thanks for your reply. If you don't mind, just summarize the highlights of what you like. Also, is there anything you don't like?
    lovinangels

    Answer by lovinangels at 7:00 AM on Aug. 14, 2009

  • I'm interested in seeing If there is any common ground at all between our two groups. In order to have a valid discussion, we have to know what's in the bill, not just the sunshine and roses democrat side, or the they are going to kill your grandma pub side.
    lovinangels

    Answer by lovinangels at 7:04 AM on Aug. 14, 2009

  • You asked for language from the actual bill lol. I actually wish the bill was setting up a system more similar to Canada's. I definitely wish we had something like Canada's health care here. (This is my opinion. I know some people think Canada's care is horrible, but I've watched as my cousin and her 2 children who have NUMEROUS health issues consistently receive better care faster than we do. So please, if you're going to attempt to "educate me" on how horrible Canada's health care is, spare me. I've done enough research and seen with my own two eyes that simply is not the case.) I wish I could find the blog, it explains it better than I can, but the current bill doesn't actually propose a full on health coverage system like those in the UK, Canada, or Europe.
    Jafra_mommy

    Answer by Jafra_mommy at 7:07 AM on Aug. 14, 2009

  • You'll be just a number, and likely seen by nurses/LPNs not MDs!!

    That's already happening right now. And the bill proposes that NO insurance company can deny you coverage because of pre-existing conditions. That means EVERYONE can get health care and cannot be discriminated against for things beyond their control.
    Jafra_mommy

    Answer by Jafra_mommy at 7:09 AM on Aug. 14, 2009

  • You asked for language from the actual bill lol

    I sure did. I want answers from people who have actually read it, not someone that's going to call me names or tell me that they have medical problems they can't afford to get taken care of. We all know there are problems with the system. i,d like to have something of an educated discussion. . .
    lovinangels

    Answer by lovinangels at 7:15 AM on Aug. 14, 2009

  • That means EVERYONE can get health care and cannot be discriminated against for things beyond their control.

    ***
    That's true....alll 304,000,000 or so of them!!! As opposed to Canada's 30,000,000 or so!!! BIG difference!!!

    Sure, you'll get health care....but if you're not concerned with quality or quantity then ObamaCare is right up your alley!!!

    And my private insurance company does not talk to me as if I'm "just a number" Once I get to the right department I am greeted and talked TO in a cheerful and respectful manner (CIGNA) And I DO record names, titles, and extensions for follow up calls. Try doing that with the government!!! LOL
    LoriKeet

    Answer by LoriKeet at 7:17 AM on Aug. 14, 2009

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