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S/O of the church recommends shoplifing question

From the article posted over in religion here:
http://www.cafemom.com/answers/348103/what_are_your_thoughts_on_this_advice_shoplift?cat_id=&answer_added#answer

Yorkshire vicar advises hard-pressed parishioners to shoplift
A Yorkshire vicar has now come up with an interesting new interpretation, advising the more hard-pressed of his parishioners to shoplift.

However they should only do it from big shops, says Father Jones, and it would probably be best if they did not take any more than they needed.

So we are constantly hearing, just today in other ?'s, in fact, about how much better the welfare state is in other countries in the UK. Is this an example of how much better it works in the UK? The clergy advising people to steal to get by?

The article says he considers it a better option than burglary or prostitution which the poor need to do anyway. Is that the "improvement" we need?

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NotPanicking

Asked by NotPanicking at 12:13 PM on Dec. 21, 2009 in Politics & Current Events

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  • NotPanicking

    Answer by NotPanicking at 12:14 PM on Dec. 21, 2009

  • You are comparing apples to oranges. Religion vs welfare state


    This says more about that church than anything else

    Anonymous

    Answer by Anonymous at 12:16 PM on Dec. 21, 2009

  • You are comparing apples to oranges. Religion vs welfare state

    No, you are missing the point - if things work so well there, why are SO many people SO bad off that a vicar is advising them in a Sunday sermon to shoplift? Why, if things are provided for all who need them, do they need to resort to burglary and prostitution to such great lengths that ANYONE, religious or not, would consider advising shoplifting as an alternative?
    NotPanicking

    Answer by NotPanicking at 12:19 PM on Dec. 21, 2009

  • Like I said in my pp under this question.. A man of a church should NOT be preaching stealing, but helping those in need to find places that do help.
    I am well aware that there are limits resources out there now with this economy as bad as it is, but to say that shoplifting is a better alternative than... is wrong...
    gmasboy

    Answer by gmasboy at 12:20 PM on Dec. 21, 2009

  • Doesn't Brit have a welfare program? does anyone have a link? is there program better than the US
    Anonymous

    Answer by Anonymous at 12:21 PM on Dec. 21, 2009

  • NP, good point. This happened in the UK, right?
    mancosmomma

    Answer by mancosmomma at 12:22 PM on Dec. 21, 2009

  • NP, good point. This happened in the UK, right?

    Yep, yesterday morning in York.
    NotPanicking

    Answer by NotPanicking at 12:26 PM on Dec. 21, 2009

  • So because an idiot who is a religious leader makes a poor recommendation to help the poorer people in his church this somehow automatically equates to meaning that the UK welfare system is a poor one? Every nation has poor people, that's just a part of life. The UK has suffered from the economic downturn too, so of course they have people struggling, but I still fail to see how this means that their welfare system sucks.

    Please... explain to me the connection on how what one vicar says means that an entire nation's welfare system isn't good. I'm thinking you have to reach pretty far to get that conclusion.
    mommy_lisa25

    Answer by mommy_lisa25 at 12:45 PM on Dec. 21, 2009

  • explain to me the connection on how what one vicar says means that an entire nation's welfare system isn't good

    If their welfare system was the shining nirvana you're pretending it is in that other question, nobody would be stealing for survival. They'd steal for fun. But that wouldn't be significant enough to provoke this kind of response. It's not a far reach, it's basic common sense, kind of like knowing the house and senate have to agree on something before it can pass.
    NotPanicking

    Answer by NotPanicking at 12:47 PM on Dec. 21, 2009

  • Much like how Canada's health care system will be completely broken in 10 years or so? Not to mention the fact that several of those countries that have this kind of health care system see those who can afford the travel expenses coming to America for their treatments, hmmm...
    Anonymous

    Answer by Anonymous at 1:41 PM on Dec. 21, 2009

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