Will one of the more knowledgeable Catholics explain this. I am putting this in its own question so I can control it, and turn in any bashing or off topic responses.
and if you could put into words what Vatican II clearly said.
I don't have a good way to put it, but I do know the important part is the Church does not just include those that walk into a Catholic Church
Answer by Anonymous at 9:00 PM on Feb. 4, 2010
Answer by eringobrough at 9:26 PM on Feb. 4, 2010
Answer by eringobrough at 9:28 PM on Feb. 4, 2010
And The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches:
"Every man who is ignorant of the gospel of Christ and of his Church but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it can be saved. It may be supposed that such persons would have desired baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity"
So it's not just being ignorant of the Truth - but also an "implicit desire" or "longing" that can exist in the hearts of those who seek God. Someone who longs for salvation but does not know the divinely established means of salvation, is said to have an implicit desire for membership in the Church.
No Salvation Outside the Church is a helpful article.
Answer by eringobrough at 9:34 PM on Feb. 4, 2010
It's Latin for "Outside the Church there is no Salvation" as the Catechism says. This does NOT mean that does not mean that only faithful Catholics can be saved. The Church has never taught that.
Thanks Eringobrough, as always you have the patience to put this all out. I know this is going to be cherry picked and torn apart so I am quoting the above one more time. If I am correct, this is the same thing that says it is possible for atheist to have rewards in heaven. Or as I tell my kids, God opens the gates not us. We do not say who will or will not get into heaven.
Answer by Kattykitten at 9:38 PM on Feb. 4, 2010
"Or as I tell my kids, God opens the gates not us. We do not say who will or will not get into heaven."
Answer by whittear at 9:57 PM on Feb. 4, 2010
Answer by eringobrough at 10:20 PM on Feb. 4, 2010
Really glad that this was cleared up. I was begining not to feel safe asking Catholic questions here. Thank You;)
Answer by Anonymous at 10:25 PM on Feb. 4, 2010
This point was brought up on another post (that will proably be deleted by the OP) so I wanted to put the references here as well. There was a Catholic priest (Fr. Feeney) and others who believe that the Catholic Church teaches that one must be a formal member of the Catholic Church to be saved. The Catholic Church has clearly said that this is not true and that it's a misinterpretation of Catholic teachings. Here are references for anyone interested:
Answer by eringobrough at 11:14 AM on Feb. 6, 2010
Answer by Anonymous at 11:17 AM on Feb. 6, 2010