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Need more scriptural support for Trinity belief.

Stemming.......John 1: 18 says that no one has ever seen God. The Trinity idea claims that God or the Word becomes flesh in John 1:14 and John 1:1, the flesh now being Jesus. Wait, people saw Jesus on earth. It doesnt collaborate.

How does God transfer himself to Jesus? Are there scriptures? I know God has holy spirit but does it state the transference scripturally?

 
3gigglemonsters

Asked by 3gigglemonsters at 3:18 PM on Mar. 4, 2010 in Religion & Beliefs

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  • Jesus indicated his Father’s superiority when he said: “God’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor.” (Luke 4:18) Anointing is the giving of authority or a commission by a superior to someone who does not already have authority. Here God is plainly the superior, for he anointed Jesus, giving him authority that he did not previously have.
    Jesus’ own prayers are a powerful example of his inferior position. When Jesus was about to die, he showed who his superior was by praying: “Father, if you wish, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place.” (Luke 22:42) If he and God are the same why do they have different will's? and to whom was he praying? To a part of himself? No, he was praying to someone entirely separate, his Father, God, whose will was superior and could be different from his own, the only One able to “remove this cup.”
    lisarose45

    Answer by lisarose45 at 2:56 AM on Mar. 5, 2010

  • But He said, "You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live!" exodus 33:20


    because of this fact God made himself flesh so we could fully understand who he is.


    No one has ever seen God. But the unique One (Jesus), who is himself God, is near to the Father's heart. He has revealed God to us. john 1:18


    Jesus is God's begotten, which means created. God created Jesus, a fleshly form of himself, so he could reveal himself to us. He created us in his likeness, body, soul, mind. likewise God is the mind, Jesus is the body, and the holy spirit is the soul. three, yet one.

    KristaRene

    Answer by KristaRene at 3:29 PM on Mar. 4, 2010

  • John 1:18 (Young's Literal Translation)

    18God no one hath ever seen; the only begotten Son, who is on the bosom of the Father -- he did declare.


    I dont agree with the trinity. Who was Jesus praying to? himself?, nope he was praying to his Father.
    Anonymous

    Answer by Anonymous at 4:11 PM on Mar. 4, 2010

  • Thanks Christa. Its nice to finish our conversation from the other day but I had to leave that day. Ok. This brings me to a thought when you mentioned begotton. Right, God made Jesus thus meaning begotten. "Let us make man in our image- Gen 1:26" This verse is God and Jesus, seperate, in heaven helping God create heaven earth stars and man, etc. God did not "need" Jesus to go to earth at that time because Adam and Eve had not sinned YET. If the sin had not happened they would still BE. So really they were BOTH in heaven as God and Son. KWIM?
    3gigglemonsters

    Answer by 3gigglemonsters at 4:31 PM on Mar. 4, 2010

  • he was praying to himself yes. you know sometimes we talk to ourselves, in our head, everyone does, it's human nature, and sometimes, like when i'm vacuuming or mowing the lawn or driving by myself, i'll do it out loud, like the rest of the world. it's how the human mind communicates with the conscience, or soul (if your religious). it's part of everyday living, our minds communicate with the rest of out being. sometimes when your really angry or emotional about something you might catch yourself talking out loud. God made us like himself and it shouldn't be hard to comprehend that Jesus was communicating with a part of himself that wasn't on earth but in heaven rather.

    KristaRene

    Answer by KristaRene at 4:33 PM on Mar. 4, 2010

  • All Im saying is that God and Jesus were in heaven for many many many 1000's of years without the need to have Jesus sent to earth to erase our sins.
    3gigglemonsters

    Answer by 3gigglemonsters at 4:52 PM on Mar. 4, 2010

  • because there is no trinity, nobody saw god.God sent jesus.
    lawla

    Answer by lawla at 9:56 PM on Mar. 4, 2010

  • lisarose, the point you stated is a perfect example of how we are alike with God. out flesh often disagrees with what our conscience wants. we fight within ourselves often with what our fleshly mind tells us we want and what our soul (conscience) tells us we need or is best

    KristaRene

    Answer by KristaRene at 12:15 PM on Mar. 5, 2010

  • Well the OT is full of people who had contact with God, they talked personally with him I am not sure if they seen him as he is, but they sure knew him personally, Adam and Eve, Abraham, Moses. The verse you mention about no one has ever seen God would be true but he is talking about the true form of God no one on earth has seen him so it does collaborate.
    Here is a Trinity proof text about Jesus: Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given and the government shall be upon his shoulder and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
    This Is verse is telling us that the child (Jesus) is Wonderful Counselor (who is the Holy Spirit who is sent to guide the apostles) Mighty God ( he is God made man) Everlasting Father (which is also God the Father) Prince of Peace (Christ the son of God ) In Lk Jesus is conceived of the Holy Spirit (which is Gods natural form)
    Joanne27

    Answer by Joanne27 at 4:49 PM on Mar. 5, 2010

  • @Lisarose God and Christ are separate persons in one God Is 9:6 proves this you just can't ignore the proof texts which state Jesus is God. Yes God did pass his authority to Jesus the man at the same time not to stop being God. Jesus is true God and true man his mission on earth is to lead and teach us by example not as a dictator who does not practice what he preaches! The only way God could accomplish his mission was to make him self like us in every way but sin, he obviously limited himself to what he knew as God so he could do that. There is only one will and that is of God, Jesus exercised not his own will as a man but his will as God by becoming a son so that we would have a chance at becoming sons and daughters of God by becoming brothers and sisters of Christ. Christ is the word of God he is the first and the last! He is the way the truth and the life!
    Joanne27

    Answer by Joanne27 at 5:04 PM on Mar. 5, 2010

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