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Moving on to Global Warming....Didn't they try and tell us "the science was settled?!"

Here’s an article from the New York Times (link below) that shows the idiocy of what we are dealing with from the Global Warming crowd.

Global Warmists CHOOSE to use models that use recorded thermometer temperatures for recent years and tree ring data for the years before temperature records were kept. HOWEVER, per the NYT:

"Since around 1960, for mysterious reasons, trees have stopped responding to temperature increases in the same way they apparently did in previous centuries. If plotted on a chart, tree rings from 1960 forward appear to show declining temperatures, something that scientists know from thermometer readings is not accurate. Most scientific papers have dealt with this problem by ending their charts in 1960 or by grafting modern thermometer measurements onto the historical reconstructions."



Asked by LoriKeet at 1:19 PM on Jul. 9, 2010 in Politics & Current Events

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  • This is one dead horse they will just keep on beating until we are all so broke that we can't afford to breathe, let alone turn on an environmentally approved light bulb.

    Answer by 29again at 3:29 PM on Jul. 9, 2010

  • See, there's the thing, Lori, these aren't true scientists. They have been cherry picking data from the beginning, using temps from 6 stations one year, and then from 4 stations the next. Nothing about this whole issue is consistent, or even scientific! It is just selling snake-oil!

    Answer by 29again at 5:36 PM on Jul. 9, 2010

  • Long sigh.........................

    Answer by itsmesteph11 at 2:32 PM on Jul. 9, 2010

  • You wrote: they say that all of the trees on earth just “happened” to start acting differently in 1960!

    Actually it is just the trees at high latitudes.  And it is not so implausible when you consider that when acid rain, the ozone layer and changing hydration patterns in those latitudes also became a major problem.

    Lay summary, from P.Z. Myers

    An academic paper on the problem (pdf)

    Everything you could possibly want to know about the influence of climate upon tree rings


    Answer by Clairwil at 6:29 PM on Jul. 9, 2010

  • "all of the trees on earth just “happened” to start acting differently in 1960!"

    OH!MY!STARS! That must be EXACTLY what happened!! All the trees had a meeting and decided that they would change the way they made rings.

    *gasp* It's a tree conspiracy!

    Bwahahahahahaha!! And these "climate control" scientists think I'm crazy for believing in Creation?!? Um, I don't think so, Vern.


    Answer by May-20 at 9:16 PM on Jul. 9, 2010

  • A person with common sense would say they had two choices. Either 1) now that we have thermometers to look at, we can see that the tree ring data was not reliable as a historical temperature record, or 2)maybe the tree ring data is right after all, and our method of recording temps since 1960 is faulty.

    No, the global warmists came up with this bit of brilliance. Since their models only show global warming when you use tree ring records pre-1960 and thermometer records post-1960, they say that all of the trees on earth just “happened” to start acting differently in 1960! Therefore, the models still work and let’s spend billions of $$ on cap and trade! And they say the global warming skeptics are anti-science!



    Comment by LoriKeet (original poster) at 1:20 PM on Jul. 9, 2010

  • i thought the trees rings showed age..not temp?

    Answer by shay1130 at 1:27 PM on Jul. 9, 2010

  • or are you talking about something totally different?

    Answer by shay1130 at 1:28 PM on Jul. 9, 2010

  • "trees tell us more than just when they were growing – they also reveal what the climate was like. Rings are formed as the tree grows, adding layers of new wood beneath its bark. How thick that layer – and how wide the resultant ring – depends on various factors, but most importantly the climate. A warm, wet summer will result in a wide ring; a cold summer or drought will produce a narrow ring"


    Comment by LoriKeet (original poster) at 1:39 PM on Jul. 9, 2010

  • Not bias'd at all.....



    Answer by sweet-a-kins at 1:44 PM on Jul. 9, 2010