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Asking for help finding some things. Not insults, attacks, etc. So please just help and don't bash. I am posting this in debate only because that is the only place politica are any more. Thank you! Pgans and researchers of the US history may be able to help better, no offense to any one else. Any one being polite is welcome to answer

I am going to be doing the second part of my blog.

http://christo-witchhot-mama86.blogspot.com/

I know I found many links before on this topic. However some how my searching is not coming up with any thing other than how to be a pagan or pagans in America. So If any of you know of links referring to the birth of America and pagan influence I would appreciate it?

 
hot-mama86

Asked by hot-mama86 at 8:32 PM on Sep. 1, 2010 in Politics & Current Events

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  • i can't point you to a specific site - i know it's a little hard to find without specifics. i am pagan of a native american path... one thing to look into is that the articles of confederation (upon which our constitution is based) is a near word-for-word copy of the governing document of the five (aka six) nations - i know i have more information somewhere - one time i found a copy of that document online... there are sites that just say they heard this or stating it's not true but if you find the actual document you can see it for yourself. i have recently shuffled around alot of papers so not sure i can find the actual name for you but if i do i will send it.
    figaro8895

    Answer by figaro8895 at 8:49 PM on Sep. 1, 2010

  • he he it's just one of those things i really need to find again - i like to point that out when everyone starts yakking about the "christian" values of our constitution. it's kind of akin to how we celebrate thanksgiving as this glorious pilgrims and "indians" accepting each other and celebrating together, when in reality the native americans saved the pilgrims from starvation (in order that they were able to thrive and take everything away). and while quakers aren't exactly pagan they were actually very liberal - not sure what your blog is about and if that has anything to do with anything, but thought i'd throw that out there. your question is very stimulating to me, i'll look around and see what i can find!
    figaro8895

    Answer by figaro8895 at 9:03 PM on Sep. 1, 2010

  • http://www.ratical.org/many_worlds/6Nations/

    just found this - some little ticklers...
    figaro8895

    Answer by figaro8895 at 9:06 PM on Sep. 1, 2010

  • http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2738983 (link to text copied below - i like the part about the smithsonian and the government admitting...)

    Next time a repuke swears up and down that the US was founded on Christian principles and all that...give them this tidbit of information. I was a little surprised when I heard it mentioned on a documentary today and did some reading up...

    Although hotly debated, it is a historical fact that a number of founding fathers had direct contact with the Iroquois and prominent figures such as Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin were closely involved with their stronger and larger native neighbor, the Iroquois. Whether this was purely politics for protection or admiration can never be fully determined, since they didn't say.

    figaro8895

    Answer by figaro8895 at 9:14 PM on Sep. 1, 2010

  • In 2004 the U.S. Government acknowledged the influence of the Iroquois Constitution on the U.S. Framers.<14> The Smithsonian also noted the similarities between the two documents, as well as the differences. One significant difference noted was the inclusion of women in the Iroquois Constitution, one group among many that the framers of the U.S. Constitution did not include.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois_Confederacy#Examp...

    Washington -- Benjamin Franklin, one of the original architects of the United States government, introduced as a model for the country's framework document the constitution of the Iroquois Nation, according to a Smithsonian Institution specialist of American Indian history.
    figaro8895

    Answer by figaro8895 at 9:14 PM on Sep. 1, 2010

  • http://www.iroquoisdemocracy.pdx.edu/

    OK... enough about that... i'll see if i can find other pagan stuff not native american...
    figaro8895

    Answer by figaro8895 at 9:16 PM on Sep. 1, 2010

  • The Iroquois, a North American Indian confederacy of several tribes, allied with some of the first European settlers of what later became the United States.

    The Iroquois' detailed constitution -- called the Great Law of Peace -- guaranteed freedom of religion and expression and other rights later embraced in the U.S. Constitution, said Jaime Hill, co-editor of "American Indian," a new Smithsonian magazine about the past, present and future of indigenous peoples from throughout the Western Hemisphere.

    snip:
    However, the Iroquois constitution differed from the later U.S. document in one important way -- it specifically mentioned women, said Knapp. Many Indian nations were matriarchal with women nominating legislators, she added.

    http://usinfo.state.gov/scv/Archive/2005/May/17-246412....
    figaro8895

    Answer by figaro8895 at 9:15 PM on Sep. 1, 2010

  • http://www.nobeliefs.com/pagan.htm

    did not read this yet but looks like it's what you are looking for....
    figaro8895

    Answer by figaro8895 at 9:18 PM on Sep. 1, 2010

  • http://www.realmagick.com/articles/13/13.html

    figaro8895

    Answer by figaro8895 at 9:19 PM on Sep. 1, 2010

  • Thank you figaro. That is awesome I actually didn't know that one.
    hot-mama86

    Comment by hot-mama86 (original poster) at 8:52 PM on Sep. 1, 2010

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