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X-mas...

More "Christian", or more "Pagan"?

(note that I use the term pagan very loosely for the sake of argument- too many variations to begin to list!)

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ObbyDobbie

Asked by ObbyDobbie at 10:17 PM on Sep. 16, 2010 in Religious Debate

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  • Just because its celebrated the same time as a Pagan holiday doesn't mean its Pagan. Its the remembrance of Jesus's birth. That's what's being celebrated and remembered, at least by Christians. The extra really doesn't matter, its about the intent of the individual, the meaning each person gives it.
    bandgeek521

    Answer by bandgeek521 at 10:24 PM on Sep. 16, 2010

  • I'd say a little bit of both
    Morgain

    Answer by Morgain at 10:39 PM on Sep. 16, 2010

  • Christmas ... or Christ's Mass ... is Christian

    The Winter Solstice is pagan.
    Gal51

    Answer by Gal51 at 10:50 PM on Sep. 16, 2010

  • I would say more Christian. There are a lot Pagan traditions and customs that are part of Christmas, and there were a lot of celebrations from different religions that were very similar and celebrated before Christmas as well. But, it is CHRISTmas, and by Christians celebrate Jesus' birth on that day.Even though...he was most likely born in September, it reserved on that day.
    LovingSAHMommy

    Answer by LovingSAHMommy at 10:57 PM on Sep. 16, 2010

  • I think it depends on how you celebrate it. If you follow Santa, and celebrate the solstice, then yes, it's more Pagan. If you only celebrate Jesus' birth, then it's more Christian.
    corbysmom531

    Answer by corbysmom531 at 11:03 PM on Sep. 16, 2010

  • Gal51 if that was the case why do they call it a christmas tree, not a solstice tree?? I could name scores of "christmas" traditions that are pagan in origin and have nothing to do with the birth of your jesus

    Anonymous

    Answer by Anonymous at 11:12 PM on Sep. 16, 2010

  • It should also be noted that while we celebrate Christ's birth on Dec 25, Christians do gift exchanged to symbolize the giving of gifts that the wise men brought to Jesus. This is called Epiphany. On the church calendar, Epiphany is celebrated in January, but it can be proven with astronomy that the date that the the wise men arrived to see Jesus was in fact Dec 25.
    Gal51

    Answer by Gal51 at 11:15 PM on Sep. 16, 2010

  • Well, the origins of the traditions and beliefs associated with Christmas are ALL clearly Pagan and predate any and all Christian celebrations of the type. However, as with ANY holiday, it is what we make of it... Each of us have to put our own meaning and memories in to the day... Personally I feel Christmas is more secular than it is religious at this point... For Pagans Yule is celebrated over Christmas and those who do celebrate Christmas as Christians tend to do so more because of their love of the traditions than because of their love of their faith...
    SabrinaMBowen

    Answer by SabrinaMBowen at 12:09 AM on Sep. 17, 2010

  • The turning of the seasons undeniably has an effect on the human mind. Even for the least spiritually-in-tune person, the single aspect of longest nights and shortest days can be understood to carry some impact.

    Before Christ, cultures dealt with this dramatic seasonal shift with various stories and customs. At this time of year, we can feel very oppressed by the dreary look of nature outside and be dragged down with nature's dying-away, or we can notice the inner spark and feel lit up from within by the stars and our thoughts. Festival customs were calculated to bring mental hygiene to the community via stories, songs, practices like decking the home, lighting candles, etc.

    Then Christ came, with His emphasis on conscience and self-mastery, with His thought-provoking challenges to old ways, with His call to brotherhood and respect for every individual. And with this, the mid-winter festival gained more meaning.

    So, BOTH!
    waldorfmom

    Answer by waldorfmom at 4:27 AM on Sep. 17, 2010

  • It's so odd that people debate this. Christ is "Lord of the elements" ... He is present in the earth and nature. So the pre-Christian practices are still valid and are in no way anti-Christian. An evergreen tree is reassurance that not everything is dying, in regions where winter kills off everything else. What's un-Christian about that? Evergreen is also about the only thing available to decorate with. We don't condemn a bouquet of flowers for being "pagan".

    There isn't any need to somehow choose ... that's just silly - and superstitious. As if using sprigs of holly for decoration somehow exudes some magical pagan power to taint one's home. We're decorating to create delight and joy.

    Christ is more real than that, and is not to be trivialized with such paltry fears ...

    waldorfmom

    Answer by waldorfmom at 4:39 AM on Sep. 17, 2010

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