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What are your thoughts about these quotes from the founding fathers?


"The Christian God can be easily pictured as virtually the same as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, evil and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed, beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of the people who say they serve him. The are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites."
-- Thomas Jefferson

"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."
-- James Madison

"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man"
-- Thomas Jefferson


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_Tam_

Asked by _Tam_ at 9:48 AM on Sep. 28, 2010 in Religious Debate

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  • Another quote by Jefferson "The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves...these clergy, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ."

    He was not Christian and did NOT like religion. There are a ton more quotes like these and NO they are not taken out of context.
    SophiaofLight

    Answer by SophiaofLight at 8:35 AM on Sep. 30, 2010

  • jefferson knows that Christianity has been hijacked and perverted by the Caesars. He knows the history behind Rome and all the filth and money that came with the formation of Christianity. He knows the ugly side of it. Most Christians do not. So when he comes out and disagrees with the ugly aspects he gets ridiculed by the majority of Christians who do not have the educated and refined view Jefferson has. This is the exact same as if I were to disagree with certain Republican principles because they aren't really Republican. I too would be bashed by the majority of Republicans, the ones that have been perverted and have lost the true principles. Look what happens when Ron Paul, a real Republican, comes out and says it's not a Republican value to vote in favor of war. Every Republican in office ridicules him.
    Here's a good CP in response to one of the issues in your post.

    jewjewbee

    Answer by jewjewbee at 10:26 AM on Sep. 28, 2010

  • There were 56 men at the Constitutional Convention, but most people can only name 2-3 (such as the ones you quoted above). However, did you know that 29 of the men had seminary degrees? Did you know that the first time they met they prayed for 2 hours and then had a 2 hour Bible Study? (look it up, it's recorded) The founding fathers were Christian and built our country based on Christian principles.
    missanc

    Answer by missanc at 10:52 AM on Sep. 28, 2010

  • Religion is a control mechanism. . . .



    They should have added that 1, too.

    I feel a religious debate comming since Christianity is mentioned 3 times...
    CandyHorse

    Answer by CandyHorse at 9:50 AM on Sep. 28, 2010

  • In line with what jewjewbee said, what was the context of these statements. People need to be careful in defining religion and Christianity, they are not always synonymous.
    jessa1091

    Answer by jessa1091 at 10:23 AM on Sep. 28, 2010

  • missanc---applause for you!! All anyone has to do to learn the truth about our foundation is study the Constitutional Convention. There is a wealth of info in the records from June-Sept of 1789.

    OP, I don't have time right now to look up your quotes for context...I have to head to work soon.

    Good job jjb

    Lol Carpy..those dang infidels!!
    yourspecialkid

    Answer by yourspecialkid at 11:28 AM on Sep. 28, 2010

  • Friday - did you know that the 1st Congress printed a Bible to be used IN SCHOOLS??? It was a special edition and it states that it was to be used expressly in the schools as a textbook. The founding fathers never would have imagined our country to NOT be a Christian nation, they simply did not want people oppressed for their beliefs. For example, many Jewish people say that America IS a Christian nation but that they have found here a place where they can live safe and secure which has been a very hard place for them to find.
    missanc

    Answer by missanc at 12:41 PM on Sep. 28, 2010

  • "Goodness - the 10 Commandments are posted in the Supreme Court! I suppose you disagree with that as well."

    so we must then also be based on paganism, as supported by the many pagan symbols and references in our capitols architecture.
    autodidact

    Answer by autodidact at 10:54 PM on Sep. 29, 2010

  • What does Jesus say in the Gospel of Thomas? What about the Kolbrin Bible? What about all the other texts that aren't in the Bible? Why do so many Christians shy away from reading something about Jesus that ISN'T in the Bible? There is a whole library of history out there for you to learn what Jesus was really all about.

    Perhaps Thomas Jefferson has uncovered something that few Christians are prepared to handle, the same way Ron Paul has discovered something that few Republicans are prepared to handle. But then again, maybe he was just some lost intellectual that was too logical and unemotional to understand such a simple concept of atonement for all who believe in the Son of God. I leave that for you to decide. However, it may be wise to follow Jefferson's advice in educating yourself on ALL the histories of Christ and to make your OWN decision based off your own research and reasoning
    jewjewbee

    Answer by jewjewbee at 10:30 AM on Sep. 28, 2010

  • I think that nearly every quote, if not all of them, have been taken out of context
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    then why didn't you say that in the original post in your question?
    jewjewbee

    Answer by jewjewbee at 10:32 AM on Sep. 28, 2010

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