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How do you rationalize this?

If you want the best teachers possible for your kids, how do you justify fighting for bad teachers to keep their jobs bundled into a contract along with the good teachers instead of having to prove themselves? There is no guarantee your child will get one of the good teachers, so why wouldn't you want recourse when your child ends up with a bad one?

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NotPanicking

Asked by NotPanicking at 3:53 PM on Mar. 9, 2011 in Politics & Current Events

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  • I have always been able to pull my kids out of classes with bad teachers. It's called conflict of interest.
    I think I've done so 5 times with 3 kids over 15 years.
    parrishsky

    Answer by parrishsky at 3:55 PM on Mar. 9, 2011

  • how do you justify fighting for bad teachers to keep their jobs


    How do you justify firing good teachers to hire cheaper not as good ones?

    sweet-a-kins

    Answer by sweet-a-kins at 3:55 PM on Mar. 9, 2011

  • Personally, I don't rationalize it. I would however, love to hear how some do.
    Carpy

    Answer by Carpy at 3:57 PM on Mar. 9, 2011

  • How do you justify firing good teachers to hire cheaper not as good ones?

    Cheaper or not, they still have to perform to keep their jobs. In this job market, there are plenty of good teachers who want a job. Period. You cannot base skill on seniority, and seniority determines pay scale, not skill, which is what you are suggesting - that automatically the seniority teachers were good, when the truth is they're just as likely to have been floating on tenure.
    NotPanicking

    Comment by NotPanicking (original poster) at 3:57 PM on Mar. 9, 2011

  • How do you justify firing good teachers to hire cheaper not as good ones?

    Links to proof of this happening?
    Carpy

    Answer by Carpy at 3:58 PM on Mar. 9, 2011

  • Cheaper or not, they still have to perform to keep their jobs


    So you are OK with firing teachers that are great to save a few $$? A teacher who spent years teaching to be let go for some just out of college kid for a cheaper paycheck...


    The facts dont support tenure hurting grades

    sweet-a-kins

    Answer by sweet-a-kins at 3:59 PM on Mar. 9, 2011

  • You can't. Period. As you note, there are lots of good teachers who NEED jobs but lacked enough seniority to keep teaching.
    gdiamante

    Answer by gdiamante at 3:59 PM on Mar. 9, 2011

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    Average 2009 NAEP Score By State Teacher Contract Laws




    States with binding teacher contracts
    4th grade: Math 240.0 Reading 220.7
    8th grade: Math 282.1 Reading 263.7




    States without binding teacher contracts
    4th grade: Math 237.7 Reading 217.5
    8th grade: Math 281.2 Reading 259.5



    sweet-a-kins

    Answer by sweet-a-kins at 4:01 PM on Mar. 9, 2011

  • So you are OK with firing teachers that are great to save a few $$? A teacher who spent years teaching to be let go for some just out of college kid for a cheaper paycheck...

    Do I support letting one teacher go to save the jobs of 3? Absolutely. Just like I support letting one secretary go to save the jobs or 3, or one sales clerk or one accountant. Do you prefer entire arts and PE programs be cut completely (which means those potentially good teachers get fired instead) to save one good teacher with 20 years seniority on them?
    NotPanicking

    Comment by NotPanicking (original poster) at 4:01 PM on Mar. 9, 2011

  • Average 2009 NAEP Score By State Teacher Contract Laws

    You keep proving there is a negligible difference between contract and non-contract. That's not helping your argument at all. If the contract was that important, the margin should be huge.
    NotPanicking

    Comment by NotPanicking (original poster) at 4:02 PM on Mar. 9, 2011

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