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Did we win?

Bin Laden and Civilization-Suicide

May 3, 2011 by Danny Sanchez

Mises wrote, “No foreign aggressor can destroy capitalist civilization if it does not destroy itself.”

This implies that the sole way a foreign aggressor can contribute toward capitalist civilization’s destruction is to goad it into destroying itself.

That was what Osama Bin Laden was trying to do all along. And the war party (along with its enablers at the Fed) has been playing right into his hands. Even now that Bin Laden is dead, they have given every indication that they will continue to do so.

From the Washington Post:

Did Osama bin Laden win? No. Did he succeed? Well, America is still standing, and he isn’t. So why, when I called Daveed Gartenstein-Ross, a counterterrorism expert who specializes in al-Qaeda, did he tell me that “bin Laden has been enormously successful”? There’s no caliphate. There’s no sweeping sharia law. Didn’t we win this one in a clean knockout?

Apparently not. Bin Laden, according to Gartenstein-Ross, had a strategy that we never bothered to understand, and thus that we never bothered to defend against. What he really wanted to do — and, more to the point, what he thought he could do — was bankrupt the United States of America. [...]

The campaign taught bin Laden a lot. For one thing, superpowers fall because their economies crumble, not because they’re beaten on the battlefield. For another, superpowers are so allergic to losing that they’ll bankrupt themselves trying to conquer a mass of rocks and sand. This was bin Laden’s plan for the United States, too.

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Thoughts?

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-Eilish-

Asked by -Eilish- at 5:34 PM on May. 3, 2011 in Politics & Current Events

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Answers (14)
  • We never "win"
    emmyandlisa

    Answer by emmyandlisa at 5:36 PM on May. 3, 2011

  • No, we didn't win. There will still be terrorists. There will still be religious extremists. No one won anything. The families of those lost in 911 have closures but not one person won anything.
    tyfry7496

    Answer by tyfry7496 at 5:37 PM on May. 3, 2011

  • I don't think there is or ever was a situation "to win".
    m-avi

    Answer by m-avi at 5:45 PM on May. 3, 2011

  • This has been obvious since 9/11
    autodidact

    Answer by autodidact at 5:47 PM on May. 3, 2011

  • Perhaps a more accurate question would be ... did OBL win? He wanted America destroyed - we no longer cherish our Constitution, our freedom, and our currency is on the verge of a collapse so big that it may set up back about 100 years. For all intents and purposes, it seems to me that while he died ... he came out pretty successful at what he set out to do.
    -Eilish-

    Comment by -Eilish- (original poster) at 6:00 PM on May. 3, 2011

  • No one won-
    3,000 people died here within a 24 hour period.
    OBL is dead
    We have active troops all over the ME, which equals more loss of life and $$$
    We do not have the money to finance the wars
    Our economy is in the tank.
    The ME is still a less than desirable destination.
    Sisteract

    Answer by Sisteract at 6:13 PM on May. 3, 2011

  • If we are going to blame our economy on Bin Laden then thats letting our government off way to easy.
    Anonymous

    Answer by Anonymous at 6:13 PM on May. 3, 2011

  • No body won. We are damaged, broken. But we can be fixed. He is dead, THAT cannot be fixed. EVER.
    Raine2001

    Answer by Raine2001 at 6:21 PM on May. 3, 2011

  • Anon ... I'm not blaming bin Laden for the economy. It most certainly is our govt's fault. But our gov't had a choice in how they fight this "war on terror." They chose to be influenced by bin Laden's tactics.
    -Eilish-

    Comment by -Eilish- (original poster) at 6:30 PM on May. 3, 2011

  • Anon ... I'm not blaming bin Laden for the economy. It most certainly is our govt's fault. But our gov't had a choice in how they fight this "war on terror." They chose to be influenced by bin Laden's tactics. ~ OP

    Not just BL's tactics Eilish. Our gov't. was also influenced by the protests and loud wails from many people here who wanted to win the hearts and minds of our enemies rather than defeat them. War is hell, and a thing that all sane people should avoid if they can. PC war creates a hell that never ends, and costs far more in terms of life, damage, and financial costs.

    For about a week the entire nation chanted for war. When the reality hit, and our soldiers headed out, the drippy hearts began chanting for PC war. That is something else that BL counted on. Sadly, he was right. Sitting back and arm chairing it now is pointless. Not only is BL dead, but so are far too many of America's best citizens.
    Farmlady09

    Answer by Farmlady09 at 7:10 PM on May. 3, 2011

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