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IYO, should this 10 year old face murder charges? be tried as an adult?

RIVERSIDE, Calif. - The public defender for a 10-year-old boy charged with murdering his neo-Nazi father in the family's California home says he might pursue an insanity defense and is seeking records from social workers who have monitored the boy's family.

Matt Hardy said he will also request a psychiatric evaluation before entering a plea for the boy after he was charged Wednesday with murder in the shooting death of Jeff Hall, a 32-year-old plumber who had carried a swastika flag and led rallies outside a local synagogue and day labor site.

Riverside County prosecutors declined to provide additional details surrounding the early Sunday shooting until the boy enters a plea but said the case is highly unusual because of the boy's age.

"To say it's unheard of is not hyberbole in this case," said Ambrosio E. Rodriguez, senior deputy district attorney. "This is extremely rare. It is almost unheard of - until today."

The small, blonde-haired boy appeared in juvenile court in an orange detention shirt, khaki pants and handcuffs. A judge ordered that he remains in juvenile hall until a May 18 detention hearing.

After the hearing, the child requested a visit with his step-mother and grandmother

Hardy said he anticipates a "long haul" in the case and that he was waiting to examine files from county social workers who have monitored the boy's family following allegations of abuse and neglect. Child Protective Services records show investigators were called to the home four times in 2003 and four times during prior years.

"We have to look at the things that are mental elements," Hardy told The Associated Press late Wednesday. "Whether he pulled the trigger or not is not the end of the inquiry."

Judge Charles J. Koosed on Wednesday ordered the boy to remain at juvenile hall.

The boy, whose name is not being published by the AP because he is a minor, is accused of shooting his father with a handgun in the family's home. Hall was found on the couch and paramedics pronounced him dead at the scene, said police Lt. Ed Blevins.

Authorities believe the shooting was intentional but declined to comment on a motive - except to say they do not believe Hall's neo-Nazi affiliation played a role.

There were no reports of a disturbance or argument before the shooting was reported to police at about 4 a.m. Sunday, Blevins said.

Relatives of the boy who attended the hearing declined comment on the case. His mother, Leticia Neal, said she is looking into hiring a private attorney but only learned of the shooting on Monday.

Hall's four other children have been placed in protective custody.

Court records show that Hall was granted custody of the two children he had with Neal. The Los Angeles Times reported that Neal sought reunification with her children and in Hall's court filings in response to her request he described his son's troubled past, saying he had been removed from several schools for "his wild and sometimes violent actions."

Hall was southwest regional leader of the National Socialist Movement, an organization that advocates white supremacy. He led rallies against illegal immigration and outside a local synagogue, stoking outcry from a host of community groups and residents concerned about the rise in hate groups in the vast suburbs southeast of Los Angeles.

Hall, who advocated for a breakaway white nation, also lost a bid last year for a seat on the Western Municipal Water District board in Riverside.

The Anti-Defamation League considers Hall's organization to be the country's largest neo-Nazi group.

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Asked by sweet-a-kins at 9:58 AM on May. 5, 2011 in Politics & Current Events

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  • It's hard to say anything with this "background". Just because the father was part of a white supremacist group doesn't give anyone the right to murder him. If the child or other family members have a history of abuse it may have been self defense.

    Answer by bloomsr at 10:04 AM on May. 5, 2011

  • Doubtful but since the article says they aren't giving any info on why he did it or much about the home situation I can't say no for sure.

    Answer by itsmesteph11 at 10:10 AM on May. 5, 2011

  • Just because the father was part of a white supremacist group doesn't give anyone the right to murder him.

    Who said anything about a RIGHT to murder him? You dont think raising a child in an environment of HATE and RAGE contributed to this?

    He was taken from his Mom and placed with his Dad..There ware charges of Abuse and Neglect...

    and the boy hasn't asked to see his Mom, only his step-Mom and grand ma.....


    Comment by sweet-a-kins (original poster) at 10:10 AM on May. 5, 2011

  • Says it supossidly had nothing to do with his nazi i'd say most likly abuse was involved here.IF the boy was abused by him then i'd have to say no he should not be charged as an adult.Sounds like nobody will really miss the man..not that that makes it ok..:shrug:

    Answer by tnmomofive at 10:10 AM on May. 5, 2011

  • I think it really depends on motive. Did he shoot his dad because he wasn't allowed to play video games or was his dad being violent towards the family and he had had enough? I believe in taking the law into one's own hands to an extent. Lynch mobs are not what I mean either. If there's sufficient evidence that backs up claims of abuse and this child felt the system was letting his family down, or things had escalated that night to a level that left him feeling his family was in jeopardy then I think this should be a case of justifiable homicide. If the child was just plain mad at his old man for some superficial reason and resorted to violence to handle it, and judging from the background the father had it's likely all he's been taught, then I feel some sort of stint in juvie with emphasis on rehabilitation is the order of the day.


    Answer by BlueCollarMama at 10:11 AM on May. 5, 2011

  • Both his mother and father probably lousy assed parents

    Answer by tnmomofive at 10:11 AM on May. 5, 2011

  • Did he shoot his dad because he wasn't allowed to play video games

    If he did because of something like this^....Dont you think his envirnment still contributed? His family life seems abusive from Mom and Dad...


    Comment by sweet-a-kins (original poster) at 10:13 AM on May. 5, 2011

  • If the social services department took the child from his mother and placed him with a white supremist father then there must have been an intense amount of abuse going on the mother's home. Whether we like it or not, social workers do take extreme vantage points like these in account during investigations. I find it hard to believe that there wasn't another famly member the boy could've been placed with in order to keep him from both negative enviornments.

    Answer by BlueCollarMama at 10:14 AM on May. 5, 2011


    Both his mother and father probably lousy assed parents

    Pretty much, does that contribute to his defense?


    Comment by sweet-a-kins (original poster) at 10:15 AM on May. 5, 2011

  • I would say so yes.Honestly as bad as it sounded for the kid I can't too much blame him..but ours laws still have to be followed.

    Answer by tnmomofive at 10:17 AM on May. 5, 2011

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