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Would the real Canada please stand up?

Any time there's a question about gun owners' rights, our resident Canadian gun fearer pops up to tell us about the Utopian society that is Canada, with is severe lack of gun ownership rights and equally blissful non-existent crime rate.

Here's the thing.  I recently stumbled across Flashpoint - a Canadian tv series about a hostage negotiation team in Toronto.  Not a fantasy or alternate universe show - based entirely on the real life TPSETF.  If Canada, with it's extreme gun control, is such a bastion of crime free bliss, how is it a show that features an armed hostage situation every week stays on the air for 4 years?  Wouldn't it have been laughed off the air by the 6th episode?  Granted, they don't ALL use illegal weapons.  One involved a wife beating cop with a service weapon.  Aside from that, though, the situations all seem pretty "normal", as in, you'd be just as likely to see them on the news.  If Canada is so awesomely crime free, how is this show (nevermind the actual task force it's based on) possible?

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NotPanicking

Asked by NotPanicking at 11:28 PM on Jun. 5, 2011 in Politics & Current Events

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  • She doesn't live in Canada.
    Anonymous

    Answer by Anonymous at 11:40 PM on Jun. 5, 2011

  • But NP, it must be a fantasy show!
    DSamuels

    Answer by DSamuels at 11:54 PM on Jun. 5, 2011

  • Of course Canada is not crime free, but there is less gun crime, and fewer gun accidents.
    canadianmom1974

    Answer by canadianmom1974 at 12:32 AM on Jun. 6, 2011

  • Of course Canada is not crime free, but there is less gun crime, and fewer gun accidents.


    First....Where do you get these "facts"?


    Second...is this percentage based info or total?

    momof030404

    Answer by momof030404 at 12:38 AM on Jun. 6, 2011

  • Government of Canada website. And 36 years of living in Canada, being a Canadian citizen. Go to chart 4, it shows the rate, not numbers but the rate per 100,000 population, which would account for the differences in population sizes.

    http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2008002/article/10518-eng.htm
    canadianmom1974

    Answer by canadianmom1974 at 12:48 AM on Jun. 6, 2011

  • which would account for the differences in population sizes.

    No, it doesn't. It's an easily tweaked statistic. The crime rate per 100k doesn't mean much when it's looking at barely 1 million people spread across an entire province, and comparing those stats to crime rate per 100k when there are 1 million people living in 1/4 of a city in the US. 4 people per square mile compared to 12k per square mile. Well gee, I wonder which will have higher crime rates? If you want a real comparison, you have to compare each province to a city or state with a comparable population density. In other words Saskatchewan is about equivalent to Wyoming, except Wyoming still has more people per square mile. Ontario falls somewhere between Kansas and Utah. Vancouver and BC send you back to Wyoming. In other words, you can be proud if you have less crime than Cheyenne...but that's about it.
    NotPanicking

    Comment by NotPanicking (original poster) at 1:05 AM on Jun. 6, 2011

  • They may have lower gun incidents, but the rate of overall violent crime in Canada is 1,314 per capita. Compared to 429.4 in the US. I may not be a rhodes scholar but I know 1314 is higher than 429. Homicides in Canada are 1.8 per capita and 5.0 in the US. Considering the US has a population 9 times larger than Canada (311 million vs 34 million) and that crime rates are higher in more densly populated areas, I'd say they are delusional about how low their crime is.


    http://www.justice.gov.sk.ca/FACTSHEET2009FINAL.pdf


    http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offenses/violent_crime/index.html


     

    Trinity001

    Answer by Trinity001 at 1:13 AM on Jun. 6, 2011

  • NoW we know why she's afraid of guns
    Carpy

    Answer by Carpy at 2:42 AM on Jun. 6, 2011

  • NoW we know why she's afraid of guns

    I dunno. I think it would kinda cool to have Veronica Mars' dad come rescue me ;)
    NotPanicking

    Comment by NotPanicking (original poster) at 2:43 AM on Jun. 6, 2011

  • Trinity, you can't per 100k statistics to support your point, NP states that they're not valid.

    And NP... Vancouver is a city IN BC, they're not 2 provinces. The city of Vancouver ALONE has a higher population than Wyoming. So your comparison sucks and doesn't work at all. The capitol of BC is Victoria, the city has about 78,000 people in it and the Greater Victoria area has about 330,000 people in it. BC has a population of over 4.5 million which makes it MUCH larger than Wyoming, Utah, and Kansas, it's more comparable to Louisiana.
    miss_lisa

    Answer by miss_lisa at 2:52 AM on Jun. 6, 2011

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