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Judge not lest you be judged.

Does this verse get taken out of context? The idea here is not that one should ignore sin or refuse to discuss its consequences; rather, one should be gracious and quick to forgive. John 7:24 says, "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."
IMO, if someone steals, murders, commits adultery, etc., the Christian can make a (righteous) moral judgment and say that the actions were morally wrong, and that these sins will have eternal consequences.

"True tolerance is not a total lack of judgment. It's knowing what should be tolerated--and refusing to tolerate that which shouldn't".--Chuck Colson

Agree or disagree? Why or why not?

 
popzaroo

Asked by popzaroo at 2:48 PM on Jul. 2, 2011 in Religious Debate

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  • I agree , to judge or say what is sin is not bad at all, that is why murder is wrong and a sin, Unfortunately people in these days want to live their lives full of sin and proclaim it is not so that they can keep on doing it, history tells us time and time again to live like there is no GOD makes us fools, and bring destruction to civilizations.

    standing

    Answer by standing at 10:51 PM on Jul. 2, 2011

  • Agree.
    mustbeGRACE

    Answer by mustbeGRACE at 2:58 PM on Jul. 2, 2011

  • That would depend on what "righteous judgement" is perceived to be.

    IMO-
    Justifiable righteous judgement:
    1) deciding something that harms autonomous individuals is wrong making a stand against it
    2) deciding something that does not harm autonomous individual is wrong and and a)not engaging in it or b)not choosing it for yourself

    Not-so righteous judgement:
    1) voting to impose one's religious opinions on another
    2) telling people they are (enter insult here)
    3) obnoxiously expressing the superiority of one'sreligious opinion
    4) expecting schools to cater to one's religious opinions over the overall cultural literacy and heath and welfare of all children equally

    I think the problem is remembering that the 2nd part of "judge not" has nothing to do with righteous judgement as it does remembering that you will be judged by the same standards and harshness (Matthew 7:2).

    ...but I'm not Christian,
    thalassa

    Answer by thalassa at 3:22 PM on Jul. 2, 2011

  • Yup all the time.. one needs to dig into the scriptures, the context, the Greek to gain better understanding of that passage.
    Shaneagle777

    Answer by Shaneagle777 at 3:32 PM on Jul. 2, 2011

  • As for the actual OP, if you want to talk about judgment as it pertains to CM - if you are pledged to "judge not according to the appearance" how are you righteously judging anyone who you only know as pixels which form words and pictures on the internet? You have no tone, no emotion, no knowledge of expanded experiences and environment behind the full context of those words and pictures. Even if you want to take it as something cut and dried - someone who admits to doing one of those "unrighteous acts", you don't even know if they're speaking literally, figuratively or truthfully. How much energy is wasted doing all this "righteous judging" of 14 year old boys on mom's computer feeding you a complete line?
    NotPanicking

    Answer by NotPanicking at 4:27 PM on Jul. 2, 2011

  • personally I had never heard this verse used as an lesson to not judge until I came to Cafemom. The words say judge as you wish to be judged. How are to learn from our mistakes as well as others if we do not righteously judge?

    Throw the first stone is another extremely misunderstood bible passage on Cafemom.
    vntNyll

    Answer by vntNyll at 3:35 PM on Jul. 2, 2011

  • "Bible Thumper-like Christians"


    And what is this

    shefree

    Answer by shefree at 4:07 PM on Jul. 2, 2011

  • "Bible Thumper-like Christians"


    "And what is this"

    very simply...someone who takes the Bible and thumps ppl over the head with it. its usually used to describe those who are extreme in their Christianity to the point that they think its okay to bully other ppl with the Bible.
    okmanders

    Answer by okmanders at 4:22 PM on Jul. 2, 2011

  • it does get taken out of context...by both sides. those who use it like you describe often use it as a jab, like "hey! your Holy Book that says you shouldnt do that!"

    but it often gets taken out of context by Christians who think this verse gives them full reign to belittle others, like "im so much better because i dont do those immoral things like YOU do!"

    everyone makes judgement calls, no one thinks abusing children or rape is a good moral thing. but i think what needs to be kept in mind w/ this verse is that if you judge someone over something small, petty, or unimportant you will be judge by all your small, petty & unimportant aspects as well.
    okmanders

    Answer by okmanders at 4:29 PM on Jul. 2, 2011

  • and yes the consequence for sin and to die in it is eternal hell

    standing

    Answer by standing at 10:52 PM on Jul. 2, 2011

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