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WWYD - Adult Sex offender wishes to join adult flying club

Posted by on Jul. 12, 2010 at 12:41 PM
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My son brought this to my attention, I figured i'd pass it on here for a debate and see what others would think.

A local flying club was given an application from a potential member, included with the application was the full amount for his initiation dues ($1,000). The initiate had met all of the requirements of joining the club. He had his FAA certified pilots license and was also a member of other local flying clubs.

One member decided to search the internet for said person, and found out that this person was a sex offender. When finding of this, he raised concerns to the clubs board of directors who contacted the applicant and said that because of his past, they would have to recomend that they not accept the member into the club when it comes time to vote.

The offender had commited an offense when he was 18, against a 13yo girl. The offense happend 15 years ago.  The offense was not violent. The offender has had no legal problems since.

The nature of this club is an adult flying club of who has members who are certified and legal pilots. The FAA screens all applicants and the FAA routinly denies recently convicted felons as their requirements are "of good moral character". The applicant had a psyciatric evaluation done before getting his license, and passed without incident.

The applicant sent an email to all members of the club expressing his interest in joining, and that he was not a danger to anyone. He has no problems with everyone knowing about his history, and has no wants or wishes to even associate with anyone under 18.


My 13yo son is an honorary member because he goes over and helps. He washes the planes, he helps to pull them out of the hangars. He helps put them away, and to clean up after the weekend events. He's been given a bit of flying time with an instructor a few times for his participation. The club rules state that no minor under 16 is allowed on club property without being escorted by a parent or gaurdian unless authorized by the club to do so, for the only reason of flight training with an approved instructor.


All members are asked to vote on this issue, and since I'm his parent and he's a 13yo minor, I was asked what i'd like to vote in his place.


Currently, I think my vote is going to be a "yes".


I find it difficult to think that we would deny an adult access to adult activities, expecially after so long has passed in this persons life, and after such obvious effort to want to live a clean life. 15 years is no small period of time. With the club membership knowing who the individual is, and making my son aware of his past i think is sufficent enough protection.


Am I right? Am I wrong? Am I missing something?

by on Jul. 12, 2010 at 12:41 PM
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MichelleMc
by on Jul. 12, 2010 at 1:08 PM

Sounds like he had sex with his girlfriend? I hate they are registered the same as child molestors. Should he have been with a 13 year old? No. Should his life be ruined because he did? No. Could be too the girl was going to turn 14 & he turned 18 first. Yes, again, should he have? No 4 years possibly 5 years apart 10 years later is no big deal. I don't agree he should have had sex with her, but depending on his maturity & hers, they could have been right on the same page.

I think he should have the right. I have always said it is a bunch of BS that they are all roped together. I hate that they are, I hate that people can get that information because they put him in the same thoughts as a guy who really was a molestor & they get the same punishment. ( mean while the girl who might have been the agressor, it happens, gets nothing )It wasn't violent, it wasn't child molesting, he hasn't done anything since as I am sure it was his girlfriend & parents turned him in, etc. It shouldn't ruin the rest of his life & people shouldn't have to look at him scared.

I graduated at 17. I would have been just 2 weeks into 14 when I started 9th grade. Our cut off was December 31st then, so a 13  year old could have started in 9th with me. Kids that were juniors were 16,17 & 18. ( Kids that were seniors were 17,18 & 19! ) That would have been just 2 grades different. It happens. With grades having so many ages in them,  you just don't see the age difference when you are in school.

 Michelle Proud Mom of an Only Child By Choice Jonathan


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Bonnie
by on Jul. 12, 2010 at 1:10 PM

I do agree with you, SNK. Good luck!

momofne
by on Jul. 12, 2010 at 1:27 PM

Thats a tuffy but considering his record has been clean for 15 years and a psych evaluation, I would have to say yes also. Sounds like he just did something stupid with his girlfriend (kinda young IMO).

runnyvenom
by on Jul. 12, 2010 at 1:29 PM

Interesting.  I was watching "To catch a predator" just yesterday.  These guys came in all forms, shapes, sizes and age groups.  I am sorry but I would not want him around.  13 year old???  He was 18???  My son who is 17 and very interested in girls doesn't even look at young girls.  And believe me he looks at the ones his age.  Honestly, girls these days grow up very fast.  And I admit there are a few that can look older.  But I look at it like this.  You messed up and there are some things that will be blocked for the rest of your life.  When a person messes up on their credit, it may be a simple mistake or certain circumstances that caused the blip on your credit report but if will be with you forever.  Even after the credit reports.  Now, I know that isn't the same but you will have to pay for it for a very long time. 

If he never did anything like that again, then good for him.  His concious should be clear.  But people are unforgiving of a pedophile (even when the circumstances are compelling enough to almost think twice about labeling him as one).  In prison, these guys are scum to the murderers.  I'm not saying this kid is the worst, but some things you do in life, you have to pay the consequences even if it seems unfair. 

This is just my opinion.  I am not in this parents situation and I don't know how I would feel if it happened to me. 

Angiebooboo
by on Jul. 12, 2010 at 1:35 PM

I don't know what to think.

SNKMama
by on Jul. 12, 2010 at 1:46 PM

My thoughts is that this adult is trying to do adult things. Not trying to be around kids.  You fly ... ALONE.. You dont fly with someone else even.  your always by yourself.  The only time your with someone else is if your taking the planes out of the hangar or such.

MichelleMc
by on Jul. 12, 2010 at 2:54 PM

Wow, it depresses me how everyone is like this guy should pay forever. Really!? The girl involved gets nothing but the guy is screwed for life. People are seriously worried about him being around a boy? Like she said, he isn't trying to take a bunch of kids on a plane ( but someone would have to fly the plane so still... ). He is just trying to live his life. He isn't trying to do something where he can telling a kid there is candy in my airplane come for a ride.

Sadly, our society lives in such terror & in this case it is wrongfully placed. So his life is ruined, he can never get past a stupid kid mistake. He didn't drink & drive, he didn't shoot someone, he didn't rob a store at gunpoint. He slept with a girl.

Let me tell you a story. My best friend growing up got preg at 14. Nuts, I know. She followed the guy, she showed up everywhere he was, she showed up at his house in lingerie. I was there, I know because I kept trying to get her to calm it down, etc. She acted way older than 14 & always did. I mean you name it, she did it. Should he have known better? Oh hell yeah. But, People are people. But more so, kids are kids.

He was 18. Her mother was for sure pressing charges, if it wasn't for my friend threaten her mother that she would NEVER see her grandchild if she did it, that guy would be in the same situation. The way some of the laws are, he wouldn't have gotten alot of jobs to support his new family, he wouldn't be allowed at school functions as alot of states are trying to put in the law on how many feet from schools, he couldn't take his son to a park as some states are pushing that rule, where they would have lived would have been something that would have been a huge situation too as the whole everyone checking their neighborhood thing, etc.

 Michelle Proud Mom of an Only Child By Choice Jonathan


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mumsy2three
by Shauna on Jul. 12, 2010 at 2:57 PM


Quoting momofne:

Thats a tuffy but considering his record has been clean for 15 years and a psych evaluation, I would have to say yes also. Sounds like he just did something stupid with his girlfriend (kinda young IMO).

I agree, it sounds like he has to register because he did something stupid when he was younger with a girlfriend. It would be different if he wasn't clean for the 15 years since it happened or if he was a repeat offender.

jabs54
by on Jul. 12, 2010 at 3:32 PM

 Since it's an adult club I see no reason why he should be denied.  Like you, I would warn my son.

Becky_71
by on Jul. 12, 2010 at 3:39 PM

Given the information you have shared, I agree with you!

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