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another shock collar question!!

Ok so a little background I have 2 dogs a shi tzu who is almost 2 and my 9 yr old wire fox terrier. They are both fixed. And are both males. My question really only is for my wft . We recently moved to a new place and he has been known to love a good escape and run every now and then.... fun for him amazingly terrifying for me. I always am right behind him running with a leash.. my shi tzu will run for 10 ft and decide he likes it inside much better and turn around lol but not my wft he books it. Ok so he plans iit out and is REALLY GOOD AT IT . this new place we are renting I'm not allowed to put a screen door up or anything in front of the door to block him. I have tried the whole no one goes near the door without him being locked up but with kids someone always slips up. So I finally went to the store and payed $100 for one of those shock collars that u put in your house to keep the dog away from things I opened it up and looked at my boy and I didn't have the heart to put it on him... the prongs are huge and it says u can't leave it on him for long periods of time.. so I just couldn't do it... Well a week later no joke, I went to take the garbage out and told my 6 yr old to stay inside she didn't and out goes my boy.. well by the time I got the kids shoes on. I ran up the street and there are 2 choices left or right he was nowhere to be seen. Well I went left and on my way back to check the other street I seen animal control ... he was hit by 2 cars head on! The animal control lady and the sweet man who actually pulled over to help (unlike the two people who hit him with their cars) him were amazed that he just got right up the sweet man walked over and picked him up. And my dog bit him , he was scared so they understood plus he is utd on all his shots so they weren't worried it wasn't bad. I ran him to the vet and he was cut up and bruised but ok! How amazing is that we are so lucky ! They gave him some puppy pain meds and he is doing great .. So I. Guess I should suck it up and put the collar on him? The vet agreed but I feel so horrible about it But at the same time what choice do I have. He already takes no less than 9 walks a day I'm not even kidding lol this dog LOVES to be outside so he knows that if he barks at the door I will take him on as many walks as he wants lol so its not like I can get him to exercise more he walks so much my shi tzu makes me carry him home after a while lol.


Ps I was so worried about my boy that I didn't even realize that the two people just hit him and ran! WTF I wouldn't have blamed them. I know he just ran out into the street in-front of their car. But friggin pull over see if the animal is ok is getting help. The sweet man who helped him wasn't one of them he only seen it happen and he kept saying I can't believe he just stood up they both hit him head on and then a few drove over him and he bounced off a pole also ... thank god he is ok.

by on Oct. 19, 2012 at 12:57 AM
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MyDragonFlies11
by Member on Oct. 21, 2012 at 1:53 AM
He does come every single time for like 5 months at a time I have actually gone years without him getting out. Maybe I'm not explaining myself right .. I have already tained him exactly how you said. He is trained to ignor other dogs ect. But he still decides every now and then .. and again I say every now and then but he is 9 years old and maybe has done it max 15 times in his whole life. Its not like he is running out the door 2 times a week. I'm not against gettging proffesional help but I'm wondering if its worth paying someone from doing the same things he knows already


Quoting erinsmom1964:

I am sorry you missed the point.  Come should be every single time and I gave you explicit instructions how to accomplish that.  Your dog is not trained if they decide to think for themselves instead of doing what they are told.  Commands are not a request BUT to properly train a dog takes some effort...some time.....and some guidance.  I am not sure why you asked if you didn't want that.  I guess instead of assuming you could or would want to do it yourself i will digress to the other responses get a professional...although i doubt in the long run that will work as dogs are smart and KNOW whom they have to listen to and who they don't.

Quoting MyDragonFlies11:

Thanks he is already trained to come and sit when the door is opened its just idk why every couple of months he darts and nothing else matters :-\





Quoting erinsmom1964:

Come and them responding immediately is one of the very first commands to teach ANY dog no matter the age and IMO the one that always gets treated ALWAYS.  I have had Ms Sophie over 2 years and I still watch for oportunites of when she is sleeeping or chewing on a big bone or engageing the neighbors dog at the fence to yell COME.  I always praise and treat her so no matter what she is doing she immediatley stops and comes running.  the word come to her means mommy wants to love me and give me a treat. It has saved her life twice.  

Once when she was a wee pup and ran out the front door in the road and another time at the vet when she  followed the nurse out ( nurse asked her to) and was met head on with a cane corsco that didn't like other dogs.  

It is easy to train a dog to sit stay at a door.  I use a small rug that is placed where you want them to always sit stay when you answer the door or when people come in.  First you start by teaching sit stay on that rug.  then you add walking away.  Do not repeat yourself but use ah ah as the correction the first time they move.  If they don't immediately return to the sit stay go back and start over.  Next after that is mastered then leave the room.  Once that is mastered that they wait for you to release them without being able to see you then try the open door.  Training is simple if you just take baby steps and are consistent and positive.  I can't off the top of my head think of a good reason for a shock collar.  Now I am sure there may be I luckily have not come across one. 





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erinsmom1964
by on Oct. 21, 2012 at 2:01 AM

You bought a 100 dollar shock collar for something he does only MAX 15 times in 9 years???  Even if he runs out obviously you don't have come trained properly or he would stop dead in his tracks and come back to you.  I explained that one too.  

I am not here to argue with you.  you asked I answered very specifically and you claim you have already done this IF that was true there would be no question for you to ask.  BTW training a command isn't a one time thing ESPECIALLY come...but i already explained that.

Truly I wish your doggie the best of luck...he was almost killed and your lucky they understood the bite.  You have got to fix this or he is going to be dead either by car or animal control.

Quoting MyDragonFlies11:

He does come every single time for like 5 months at a time I have actually gone years without him getting out. Maybe I'm not explaining myself right .. I have already tained him exactly how you said. He is trained to ignor other dogs ect. But he still decides every now and then .. and again I say every now and then but he is 9 years old and maybe has done it max 15 times in his whole life. Its not like he is running out the door 2 times a week. I'm not against gettging proffesional help but I'm wondering if its worth paying someone from doing the same things he knows already


Quoting erinsmom1964:

I am sorry you missed the point.  Come should be every single time and I gave you explicit instructions how to accomplish that.  Your dog is not trained if they decide to think for themselves instead of doing what they are told.  Commands are not a request BUT to properly train a dog takes some effort...some time.....and some guidance.  I am not sure why you asked if you didn't want that.  I guess instead of assuming you could or would want to do it yourself i will digress to the other responses get a professional...although i doubt in the long run that will work as dogs are smart and KNOW whom they have to listen to and who they don't.

Quoting MyDragonFlies11:

Thanks he is already trained to come and sit when the door is opened its just idk why every couple of months he darts and nothing else matters :-\





Quoting erinsmom1964:

Come and them responding immediately is one of the very first commands to teach ANY dog no matter the age and IMO the one that always gets treated ALWAYS.  I have had Ms Sophie over 2 years and I still watch for oportunites of when she is sleeeping or chewing on a big bone or engageing the neighbors dog at the fence to yell COME.  I always praise and treat her so no matter what she is doing she immediatley stops and comes running.  the word come to her means mommy wants to love me and give me a treat. It has saved her life twice.  

Once when she was a wee pup and ran out the front door in the road and another time at the vet when she  followed the nurse out ( nurse asked her to) and was met head on with a cane corsco that didn't like other dogs.  

It is easy to train a dog to sit stay at a door.  I use a small rug that is placed where you want them to always sit stay when you answer the door or when people come in.  First you start by teaching sit stay on that rug.  then you add walking away.  Do not repeat yourself but use ah ah as the correction the first time they move.  If they don't immediately return to the sit stay go back and start over.  Next after that is mastered then leave the room.  Once that is mastered that they wait for you to release them without being able to see you then try the open door.  Training is simple if you just take baby steps and are consistent and positive.  I can't off the top of my head think of a good reason for a shock collar.  Now I am sure there may be I luckily have not come across one. 






MyDragonFlies11
by Member on Oct. 21, 2012 at 2:15 AM
Yes it did by $100 thing for something he only did 15 times. It was cause we moved to a new place and I felt unsafe that there is no screen door and it happen one time here and I never wanted it to happen again cause I take their safety very seriously. I understand. What you are saying he does all those things. But I don't even know why I'm bothering to explain myself since you have already made up you mind that I am lying. Cause no dog that Has been trained ever miss behaves again. Its impossible they become robots. Thanks anyway


Quoting erinsmom1964:

You bought a 100 dollar shock collar for something he does only MAX 15 times in 9 years???  Even if he runs out obviously you don't have come trained properly or he would stop dead in his tracks and come back to you.  I explained that one too.  

I am not here to argue with you.  you asked I answered very specifically and you claim you have already done this IF that was true there would be no question for you to ask.  BTW training a command isn't a one time thing ESPECIALLY come...but i already explained that.

Truly I wish your doggie the best of luck...he was almost killed and your lucky they understood the bite.  You have got to fix this or he is going to be dead either by car or animal control.

Quoting MyDragonFlies11:

He does come every single time for like 5 months at a time I have actually gone years without him getting out. Maybe I'm not explaining myself right .. I have already tained him exactly how you said. He is trained to ignor other dogs ect. But he still decides every now and then .. and again I say every now and then but he is 9 years old and maybe has done it max 15 times in his whole life. Its not like he is running out the door 2 times a week. I'm not against gettging proffesional help but I'm wondering if its worth paying someone from doing the same things he knows already





Quoting erinsmom1964:

I am sorry you missed the point.  Come should be every single time and I gave you explicit instructions how to accomplish that.  Your dog is not trained if they decide to think for themselves instead of doing what they are told.  Commands are not a request BUT to properly train a dog takes some effort...some time.....and some guidance.  I am not sure why you asked if you didn't want that.  I guess instead of assuming you could or would want to do it yourself i will digress to the other responses get a professional...although i doubt in the long run that will work as dogs are smart and KNOW whom they have to listen to and who they don't.

Quoting MyDragonFlies11:

Thanks he is already trained to come and sit when the door is opened its just idk why every couple of months he darts and nothing else matters :-\








Quoting erinsmom1964:

Come and them responding immediately is one of the very first commands to teach ANY dog no matter the age and IMO the one that always gets treated ALWAYS.  I have had Ms Sophie over 2 years and I still watch for oportunites of when she is sleeeping or chewing on a big bone or engageing the neighbors dog at the fence to yell COME.  I always praise and treat her so no matter what she is doing she immediatley stops and comes running.  the word come to her means mommy wants to love me and give me a treat. It has saved her life twice.  

Once when she was a wee pup and ran out the front door in the road and another time at the vet when she  followed the nurse out ( nurse asked her to) and was met head on with a cane corsco that didn't like other dogs.  

It is easy to train a dog to sit stay at a door.  I use a small rug that is placed where you want them to always sit stay when you answer the door or when people come in.  First you start by teaching sit stay on that rug.  then you add walking away.  Do not repeat yourself but use ah ah as the correction the first time they move.  If they don't immediately return to the sit stay go back and start over.  Next after that is mastered then leave the room.  Once that is mastered that they wait for you to release them without being able to see you then try the open door.  Training is simple if you just take baby steps and are consistent and positive.  I can't off the top of my head think of a good reason for a shock collar.  Now I am sure there may be I luckily have not come across one. 









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Tea4Tas
by Member on Oct. 24, 2012 at 7:01 PM

I use a e collar on my dog. She has a 99% recall-will come running when called-except for the odd time when she decides not to....THAT is exactly what the collar is for-for when she decides that listening is optional.

It's not.  I can't run and catch her-she is too fast.  But I can make her understand that NOT listening has unpleasent consequences.  It allows her to go off leash in unfenced areas-it allow her an hour a day of active play and to chase her frisbee.  If she is zapped once every 6 months-that would be a lot. 

And it allows her to go swimming safely and not worry that her prey drive will get her in trouble (chasing ducks and swimming out too far)

llsnuggles
by on Oct. 24, 2012 at 7:49 PM
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I had a dog get hit by a car and killed because she ran away.  As a way of protecting the two I have now (because a well trained dog DOES occasionally misbehave), my husband and I have trained them two different fail-safes. 

The first is the "NO" command.  When they begin to misbehave, I say the word "no" in a rather menacing way (sort of like a dog growling).  Whatever the dog is doing at the time that I say the word, they stop because they know they screwed up somehow.  I have said the word to one dog before and had the other spit out her food because she thought I was talking to her.  It saved my Border Collie's life the other day because I had met my husband at a rest area and we were eating lunch on the tailgate of my father in law's pickup.  When we finished, my husband told her to get down, which she did, but assuming that that meant she was going to the grass section across the roadway, she started to head over there in front of a car.  I yelled "NO" and she instantly laid down with her ears back, allowing the car to pass safely.  When all was well, she was rewarded for obeying.

The other fail-safe is that, even as puppies, we never chased them.  They were taught to play chase but they ALWAYS chase us.  This is a game that my husband taught them because I don't run.  :)  Usually, when I'm with my husband he plays the game with them once a week but since I've been home and he's been on the road, I have his cousin's 9 year old twin girls play chase with them.  It keeps the training sharp.  The point is to ensure that even when they (usually my Dachshund mix) get in the mood to not obey their recall, you run from them and they switch into play mode and start to chase you.  When they come back, they get leashed but continue to play and to be praised for cooperating.

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Dominosmommy
by on Nov. 10, 2012 at 12:13 PM

I wouldn't know what to tell you.  I don't have that issue of door dashing and when I did with my JRT then I corrected it right there without a shock collar. I saw no point in shocking her so she ran more. I just put a prong collar on her and taught her with a leash to sit and wait at the door.

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