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Things You May Not Know About Evolution (ICR)
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Biological Evolution Darwin's Finches (ChristianAnswers.net)




Can anyone on Team Evolution provide alternative explanations for the things this website claims can't be explained by evolution?

by on Mar. 3, 2012 at 5:01 AM
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cammibear
by Team Creationism on Apr. 19, 2012 at 11:09 PM
Sounds like someone had a big imagination.


Quoting Clairwil:


Quoting Clairwil:



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Reproduction explained (Genesis 1:27-28; 2:24; Mark 10:6-8).
While evolution has no mechanism to explain how male and female
reproductive organs evolved at the same time, the Bible says that from
the beginning God made them male and female in order to propagate the
human race and animal kinds.



Sexual reproduction first appear about 1 billion years ago, near the end of the Mesoproterozoic Era.  It was just after Eukaryotic cells developed, and before they split into the more complex multi-cellular plants, animals and fungi we know today.  Even today, many plants and fungi combine both sexual and asexual reproduction, so you can think of early sexual reproduction as being an 'added bonus' rather than a requirement for an organism to keep reproducing.

Specialised sexual organs to facilitate gametes meeting up only appeared later, in incremental small stages, after multi-cellular life forms had developed.

Here's a lovely quote:

Life developed from the infant stage of single celled organisms to an adolescence of Eukarya and early plants, fungi, animals.  Perhaps other forms developed as well which we know less about because they failed to explode in the Cambrian Explosion.  Like all other adolescents, Life grew much larger, discovered sex, and changed its mind frequently about what it was going to be when it grew up.  Undoubtedly it tried out many forms and lifestyles which, had we learned of them at the time, we would have sternly disapproved.  Life engaged in risky behaviors, such as carelessly spewing so much oxygen into the atmosphere that it nearly poisoned itself until it learned to adapt.  It moved out from the warm geothermal vents where, perhaps, it was raised, and nearly froze to death once or twice by wandering into very serious Ice Ages without its mittens.  Somehow, in spite of a number of these very close calls, it grew up into the sort of grown-up Life we know today.   (source)


For more technical detail, have a read of: Sterrer W
(2002). "On the origin of sex as vaccination". Journal of Theoretical
Biology
216: 387–396. doi:10.1006/jtbi.2002.3008.
PMID 12151256


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PurpleCrayonz
by Member on Apr. 23, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Do you mean those who imagine that there is an invisible mega-powerful being that is somehow guiding all of this to happen, with all of the imperfections that we see?

Quoting cammibear:

Sounds like someone had a big imagination.


Quoting Clairwil:


Quoting Clairwil:



24.

Reproduction explained (Genesis 1:27-28; 2:24; Mark 10:6-8).
While evolution has no mechanism to explain how male and female
reproductive organs evolved at the same time, the Bible says that from
the beginning God made them male and female in order to propagate the
human race and animal kinds.



Sexual reproduction first appear about 1 billion years ago, near the end of the Mesoproterozoic Era.  It was just after Eukaryotic cells developed, and before they split into the more complex multi-cellular plants, animals and fungi we know today.  Even today, many plants and fungi combine both sexual and asexual reproduction, so you can think of early sexual reproduction as being an 'added bonus' rather than a requirement for an organism to keep reproducing.

Specialised sexual organs to facilitate gametes meeting up only appeared later, in incremental small stages, after multi-cellular life forms had developed.

Here's a lovely quote:

Life developed from the infant stage of single celled organisms to an adolescence of Eukarya and early plants, fungi, animals.  Perhaps other forms developed as well which we know less about because they failed to explode in the Cambrian Explosion.  Like all other adolescents, Life grew much larger, discovered sex, and changed its mind frequently about what it was going to be when it grew up.  Undoubtedly it tried out many forms and lifestyles which, had we learned of them at the time, we would have sternly disapproved.  Life engaged in risky behaviors, such as carelessly spewing so much oxygen into the atmosphere that it nearly poisoned itself until it learned to adapt.  It moved out from the warm geothermal vents where, perhaps, it was raised, and nearly froze to death once or twice by wandering into very serious Ice Ages without its mittens.  Somehow, in spite of a number of these very close calls, it grew up into the sort of grown-up Life we know today.   (source)

 

For more technical detail, have a read of: Sterrer W
(2002). "On the origin of sex as vaccination". Journal of Theoretical
Biology
216: 387–396. doi:10.1006/jtbi.2002.3008.
PMID 12151256



PurpleCrayonz
by Member on Apr. 23, 2012 at 2:58 PM

I'll tackle this one, if you want....

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Noble behavior understood (John 15:13; Romans 5:7-8). The Bible and history reveal that countless people have endangered or even sacrificed their lives for another. This reality is completely at odds with Darwin’s theory of the survival of the fittest.

 

Similar behaviours have been observed amongst many other animals.  Pack behaviour actually works that way, where one member of the pack will "sacrifice" itself for the good of the pack.  It even happens in insect colonies, where many thousands of members will sacrifice themselves to save the hive or colony.

Sacrifice of individuals for the good of the society is a useful trait that would be beneficial to the group.  Therefore, those groups that developed an ability to sacrifice indivually and passed that down through the group are those that are more likely to survive, as they operate as a "collective" group, rather than as a grouping of individuals.

This is actually a very valuable trait and would be highly successful under Darwin's theory of survival of the fittest.  The fittest would refer to a society or group, rather than being recognized only on an individual level.  Evolution deals with populations, also, rather than individuals.

 

 

 

 

 

PurpleCrayonz
by Member on Apr. 24, 2012 at 11:28 AM

This one is simply laughable, based on the surveys that show that the states with the highest crime rates, etc are those with the highest proportion of "practicing Christians".  It also has absolutely nothing to do with evolution.

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Rejecting the Creator results in moral depravity (Romans 1:20-32). The Bible warns that when mankind rejects the overwhelming evidence for a Creator, lawlessness will result. Since the theory of evolution has swept the globe, abortion, pornography, genocide, etc., have all risen sharply.

 

There is also data to show that the countries with the highest numbers of atheists have the lowest rates of crime and the highest satisfaction indeces.  I'm incredibly busy iRL right now, but will find the data if required.

Quoting Clairwil:

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Things You May Not Know About Evolution (ICR)
Creation - Evolution (ICR)
Evolution and the Bible (ICR)
The Fossil Record: Intermediate Links (ChristianAnswers.net)
Archaeopteryx A Feathered Reptile? (ChristianAnswers.net)
The Ape-Man: Missing Link (ChristianAnswers.net)
Biological Evolution Darwin's Finches (ChristianAnswers.net)




Can anyone on Team Evolution provide alternative explanations for the things this website claims can't be explained by evolution?


PurpleCrayonz
by Member on Apr. 24, 2012 at 11:34 AM
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One more quick response for today...

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Vast fossil deposits anticipated (Genesis 7). When plants and animals die they decompose rapidly. Yet billions of life forms around the globe have been preserved as fossils. Geologists now know that fossils only form if there is rapid deposition of life buried away from scavengers and bacteria. This agrees exactly with what the Bible says occurred during the global Flood.

If the layers of fossils were all deposited during a single flood, the expectation would be that either they would be uniformly distributed across the layers or that the larger/heavier remains would be deposited prior to the smaller ones, which would have been carried in the current for longer.  In fact, the fossils found in the lower layers are smaller, lending more credence to the fact that simple organisms preceded more complex ones.  Also, most fossils are distributed in separate layers and can be predicted to be in those layers based on evolutionary theory.

Quoting Clairwil:

(source)


Things You May Not Know About Evolution (ICR)
Creation - Evolution (ICR)
Evolution and the Bible (ICR)
The Fossil Record: Intermediate Links (ChristianAnswers.net)
Archaeopteryx A Feathered Reptile? (ChristianAnswers.net)
The Ape-Man: Missing Link (ChristianAnswers.net)
Biological Evolution Darwin's Finches (ChristianAnswers.net)




Can anyone on Team Evolution provide alternative explanations for the things this website claims can't be explained by evolution?


AdrianneHill
by Member on Jun. 11, 2012 at 11:00 PM
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I've always liked this one. Oh how I wish that someone from another group would pop up and try to defend a few of these little gems. Of course, someone defending these ideas that have more holes than a wheel of Swiss cheese usually infers that the defender is too far gone to be swayed by little things like logic or evidence.
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