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UPDATE to (i need help my son wants to drop out)

Posted by on Jan. 30, 2013 at 8:12 AM
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I just recieved an email from the program specialist:

 

Hello Ms. Crisman,

 

Thank you so much for contacting the Exceptional Children Department regarding your son William and his educational needs. I am happy to help in any way that I can. I understand from reviewing school records that William has received 8 cumulative days of OSS this school year, as well as 4 full days of ISS. I also understand that there are a number of times that William has gone to ISS for a class period and not full day. After speaking with the school administrator, I was informed that you have been contacted via email by both the building principal as well as the case manager. It is my understanding that the case manager is working with you to schedule a meeting to develop a Behavior Intervention Plan (BIP) for William. This is a very proactive step and one that William should definitely be a part of. His input and perspective will be a much needed piece to this puzzle. As we know with children with ASD, “buy in” is a must. By William participating, it will help with his “buy in”.

 

 

In the meantime, I have contacted Debbie Higginbotham, Exceptional Children Zone Coordinator (ECZC) for the Northeast Learning Community. I have requested that Debbie provide support to the school to ensure that they are ready for the meeting with you. I have also received a request from the building administrator to have a member of our behavior support team visit Bradley and provide consultative services in regards to William. Please keep me posted as to how the BIP meeting goes. If you have any additional questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact me.

 

Take care,

 

 

Caroline (Carrie) Stewart, Ed. S
 
 
 
HERE IS EMAIL FROM CASE MANAGER:
 

Ms. Crisman, 

I agree that Will is spending too much time out of class for behaviors. We definitely need to meet to update and revise the BIP t ensure that we can make it work for him. I would like for him to be part of the meeting so that we can make sure he buys into it.  If you can please let me know when you are available we will meet to take care of this.  Please know that the 8th grade teachers are available beginning at 11:00 am if we want to include the entire educational team.

 

I look forward to working with you,

 

Daniel Gray

by on Jan. 30, 2013 at 8:12 AM
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mommaTLC186
by on Jan. 30, 2013 at 8:12 AM

Bump...

lasombrs
by Sara on Jan. 30, 2013 at 8:23 AM

Well thats good. I think we call the behavior plan a different name in our state but my son has one and it has been helpful. They also had someone from the more restrictive school they send some children to come and watch my son in class a few days and make notes and give them ideas on how to help so that he did not need to be removed and sent to this other school. Good luck!

Bluerose1482
by Bronze Member on Jan. 30, 2013 at 9:24 AM
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So they have changed his placement for 12 days without a manifestation determination hearing.  Interesting.

I'm glad that things are finally moving.  Try to get the advocate to come with you--even if there is a fee.  Sounds like there are going to be lots of teachers and staff members at your meeting, and while sometimes that doesn't matter, sometimes it quickly turns into an 'us' vs' 'them' match.  It is hard to listen to 8 other adults rip your child to shreads, which is what happens sometimes. 

Even if the advocate can't go with you, perhaps you can get your boyfriend to go just so for extra support.

mommaTLC186
by on Jan. 30, 2013 at 9:54 AM

 

I just learned (through writing my last post) what a manifestation determination hearing even is. After learning of it, I made sure to add that in my note to the Special Education Director that the school has never done that and from what Ive read its a violation. (maybe thats why I'm getting such speedy responses?)

I still havent recieved a date/time for BIP yet but I have left messages for the two advocates I contacted on Monday. After reading the Program specialists email, I feel like there is going to be alot of people involved in the meeting and I already feel overwhelmed/anxiety at the thought of going there by myself. Of course I will go and get through it by myself. I'm just nervous. I'm also VERY grateful to this group for providing me with all this info so I dont go into the meeting blindly.

(my bf isnt involved with kids schooling or really much of anything concerning the kids health/disipline etc..... that would be a whole longer post LOL )

Quoting Bluerose1482:

So they have changed his placement for 12 days without a manifestation determination hearing.  Interesting.

I'm glad that things are finally moving.  Try to get the advocate to come with you--even if there is a fee.  Sounds like there are going to be lots of teachers and staff members at your meeting, and while sometimes that doesn't matter, sometimes it quickly turns into an 'us' vs' 'them' match.  It is hard to listen to 8 other adults rip your child to shreads, which is what happens sometimes. 

Even if the advocate can't go with you, perhaps you can get your boyfriend to go just so for extra support.


 

mommaTLC186
by on Jan. 30, 2013 at 9:57 AM

 

My son already has a BIP in place but they don't follow it/reenforce it ... its basically a useless piece of paper right now. That would be very helpful if someone would observe, give notes and ideas! Thank you for your support :)

Quoting lasombrs:

Well thats good. I think we call the behavior plan a different name in our state but my son has one and it has been helpful. They also had someone from the more restrictive school they send some children to come and watch my son in class a few days and make notes and give them ideas on how to help so that he did not need to be removed and sent to this other school. Good luck!


 

lasombrs
by Sara on Jan. 30, 2013 at 10:34 AM

I found the fancy wording in our IEP for it. We call it an FBA, a functional Behavior Assesment. Not sure if you just have a different name for it or if getting them to try this would be better


http://www.behavioradvisor.com/FBA.html


While educators are required to conduct an FBA when persistent behavioral concerns exist (FBA is commonly a part of the pre-referral and referral activities, and IEP development, review, and revision for misbehaving students) they are also required by law to conduct it within 10 days of any singular offense by a student with a disability that is punishable by:
-suspension
-removal to an Interim Alternative Educational Setting.  An IAES is a placement, outside of the present school building, where kids who have broken the law, violated an important school regulation, or been aggressive can be sent by the school administrator for up to 40 days.  All services presently provided by the school must be continued in this new placement, and the behavior that led to the transfer must be addressed (perhaps via counseling or instruction).  The FBA is conducted in order to understand the reason for the behavior, and to devise ways to prevent it’s occurrence in the future when the youngster returns to the home school.  In some proactive states, FBA is designated to be conducted as part of an on-going program to identify students in need of specialized services, not only as an isolated practice for severe school code violations.

Quoting mommaTLC186:


My son already has a BIP in place but they don't follow it/reenforce it ... its basically a useless piece of paper right now. That would be very helpful if someone would observe, give notes and ideas! Thank you for your support :)

Quoting lasombrs:

Well thats good. I think we call the behavior plan a different name in our state but my son has one and it has been helpful. They also had someone from the more restrictive school they send some children to come and watch my son in class a few days and make notes and give them ideas on how to help so that he did not need to be removed and sent to this other school. Good luck!




mommaTLC186
by on Jan. 30, 2013 at 10:44 AM
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 see and it says the school is required by law!! I think it would be a good idea for me to get to the library and print this out so I can bring it with me to the meeting. (i dont have a printer) I did include in my email to the director that the school has failed to do the Assesment and of course that wasn't mentioned at all in her response to me. (ignoring me?) On the other hand maybe that is the reason why their getting things together and responding so quickly, they know they are in the wrong. For the last 3 months I have sent emails and verbally requested/discussed revisions in his BIP with NO responses at all. I vent on this group, find out about Behavior Assesment, add it in my complaint and suddenly their responding to me. I am sooooo thankful for this group!!

Quoting lasombrs:

I found the fancy wording in our IEP for it. We call it an FBA, a functional Behavior Assesment. Not sure if you just have a different name for it or if getting them to try this would be better

 

http://www.behavioradvisor.com/FBA.html


While educators are required to conduct an FBA when persistent behavioral concerns exist (FBA is commonly a part of the pre-referral and referral activities, and IEP development, review, and revision for misbehaving students) they are also required by law to conduct it within 10 days of any singular offense by a student with a disability that is punishable by:
-suspension
-removal to an Interim Alternative Educational Setting.  An IAES is a placement, outside of the present school building, where kids who have broken the law, violated an important school regulation, or been aggressive can be sent by the school administrator for up to 40 days.  All services presently provided by the school must be continued in this new placement, and the behavior that led to the transfer must be addressed (perhaps via counseling or instruction).  The FBA is conducted in order to understand the reason for the behavior, and to devise ways to prevent it’s occurrence in the future when the youngster returns to the home school.  In some proactive states, FBA is designated to be conducted as part of an on-going program to identify students in need of specialized services, not only as an isolated practice for severe school code violations.

Quoting mommaTLC186:

 

My son already has a BIP in place but they don't follow it/reenforce it ... its basically a useless piece of paper right now. That would be very helpful if someone would observe, give notes and ideas! Thank you for your support :)

Quoting lasombrs:

Well thats good. I think we call the behavior plan a different name in our state but my son has one and it has been helpful. They also had someone from the more restrictive school they send some children to come and watch my son in class a few days and make notes and give them ideas on how to help so that he did not need to be removed and sent to this other school. Good luck!

 

 


 

lasombrs
by Sara on Jan. 30, 2013 at 10:55 AM

I am in NH. I don't know if its a NH law or a national law, but hopefully its national for you. *hugs*

Quoting mommaTLC186:

 see and it says the school is required by law!! I think it would be a good idea for me to get to the library and print this out so I can bring it with me to the meeting. (i dont have a printer) I did include in my email to the director that the school has failed to do the Assesment and of course that wasn't mentioned at all in her response to me. (ignoring me?) On the other hand maybe that is the reason why their getting things together and responding so quickly, they know they are in the wrong. For the last 3 months I have sent emails and verbally requested/discussed revisions in his BIP with NO responses at all. I vent on this group, find out about Behavior Assesment, add it in my complaint and suddenly their responding to me. I am sooooo thankful for this group!!

Quoting lasombrs:

I found the fancy wording in our IEP for it. We call it an FBA, a functional Behavior Assesment. Not sure if you just have a different name for it or if getting them to try this would be better


http://www.behavioradvisor.com/FBA.html


While educators are required to conduct an FBA when persistent behavioral concerns exist (FBA is commonly a part of the pre-referral and referral activities, and IEP development, review, and revision for misbehaving students) they are also required by law to conduct it within 10 days of any singular offense by a student with a disability that is punishable by:
-suspension
-removal to an Interim Alternative Educational Setting.  An IAES is a placement, outside of the present school building, where kids who have broken the law, violated an important school regulation, or been aggressive can be sent by the school administrator for up to 40 days.  All services presently provided by the school must be continued in this new placement, and the behavior that led to the transfer must be addressed (perhaps via counseling or instruction).  The FBA is conducted in order to understand the reason for the behavior, and to devise ways to prevent it’s occurrence in the future when the youngster returns to the home school.  In some proactive states, FBA is designated to be conducted as part of an on-going program to identify students in need of specialized services, not only as an isolated practice for severe school code violations.

Quoting mommaTLC186:


My son already has a BIP in place but they don't follow it/reenforce it ... its basically a useless piece of paper right now. That would be very helpful if someone would observe, give notes and ideas! Thank you for your support :)

Quoting lasombrs:

Well thats good. I think we call the behavior plan a different name in our state but my son has one and it has been helpful. They also had someone from the more restrictive school they send some children to come and watch my son in class a few days and make notes and give them ideas on how to help so that he did not need to be removed and sent to this other school. Good luck!




 


mommaTLC186
by on Jan. 30, 2013 at 11:05 AM

 It is law here too, I just didnt know about it until I posted here :)

*hugs*

Quoting lasombrs:

I am in NH. I don't know if its a NH law or a national law, but hopefully its national for you. *hugs*

Quoting mommaTLC186:

 see and it says the school is required by law!! I think it would be a good idea for me to get to the library and print this out so I can bring it with me to the meeting. (i dont have a printer) I did include in my email to the director that the school has failed to do the Assesment and of course that wasn't mentioned at all in her response to me. (ignoring me?) On the other hand maybe that is the reason why their getting things together and responding so quickly, they know they are in the wrong. For the last 3 months I have sent emails and verbally requested/discussed revisions in his BIP with NO responses at all. I vent on this group, find out about Behavior Assesment, add it in my complaint and suddenly their responding to me. I am sooooo thankful for this group!!

Quoting lasombrs:

I found the fancy wording in our IEP for it. We call it an FBA, a functional Behavior Assesment. Not sure if you just have a different name for it or if getting them to try this would be better

 

http://www.behavioradvisor.com/FBA.html


While educators are required to conduct an FBA when persistent behavioral concerns exist (FBA is commonly a part of the pre-referral and referral activities, and IEP development, review, and revision for misbehaving students) they are also required by law to conduct it within 10 days of any singular offense by a student with a disability that is punishable by:
-suspension
-removal to an Interim Alternative Educational Setting.  An IAES is a placement, outside of the present school building, where kids who have broken the law, violated an important school regulation, or been aggressive can be sent by the school administrator for up to 40 days.  All services presently provided by the school must be continued in this new placement, and the behavior that led to the transfer must be addressed (perhaps via counseling or instruction).  The FBA is conducted in order to understand the reason for the behavior, and to devise ways to prevent it’s occurrence in the future when the youngster returns to the home school.  In some proactive states, FBA is designated to be conducted as part of an on-going program to identify students in need of specialized services, not only as an isolated practice for severe school code violations.

Quoting mommaTLC186:

 

My son already has a BIP in place but they don't follow it/reenforce it ... its basically a useless piece of paper right now. That would be very helpful if someone would observe, give notes and ideas! Thank you for your support :)

Quoting lasombrs:

Well thats good. I think we call the behavior plan a different name in our state but my son has one and it has been helpful. They also had someone from the more restrictive school they send some children to come and watch my son in class a few days and make notes and give them ideas on how to help so that he did not need to be removed and sent to this other school. Good luck!

 

 


 


 

Bluerose1482
by Bronze Member on Jan. 30, 2013 at 11:30 AM
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They aren't compliant with the law, and they know that they aren't compliant with the law.  If I were you, I would play nicely with them at this meeting and see what happens.  Sometimes once someone higher than the school realizes what is going on magical, wonderful things happen--like someone from the distict meets privately with the teachers and the principal and says, "You do realize that you are currently in violation of civil rights law?  You do realize that this mom will have grounds to sue the district, the school, the principal and *YOU* after this meeting?  You do realize if she sues the district because *YOU* are not compliant, *OUR* attorney will defend us, and our defense will be pointing a finger at *you* and saying ''it is *her* fault'?"  Sometimes that works miracles.  If I were you, I would give the higher-ups a chance to make things right.  AND once they are aware of you and your son, they generally keep track of what goes on.  

Honestly, it is much better to have a good relationship with them if possible. 

If your boyfriend can sit quitely and be supportive by being there, bring him rather than go alone.  An advocate would be much better, but any friendly face is better than nothing.  Teach him a few phrases, like, "Clearly we have a child here who needs support that he's not getting, so let's focus on that."  "We are all frustrated, but the more positive we keep this meeting the more productive it is, the better our outcome will be."   ETC. 


Quoting mommaTLC186:

 It is law here too, I just didnt know about it until I posted here :)

*hugs*

Quoting lasombrs:

I am in NH. I don't know if its a NH law or a national law, but hopefully its national for you. *hugs*

Quoting mommaTLC186:

 see and it says the school is required by law!! I think it would be a good idea for me to get to the library and print this out so I can bring it with me to the meeting. (i dont have a printer) I did include in my email to the director that the school has failed to do the Assesment and of course that wasn't mentioned at all in her response to me. (ignoring me?) On the other hand maybe that is the reason why their getting things together and responding so quickly, they know they are in the wrong. For the last 3 months I have sent emails and verbally requested/discussed revisions in his BIP with NO responses at all. I vent on this group, find out about Behavior Assesment, add it in my complaint and suddenly their responding to me. I am sooooo thankful for this group!!

Quoting lasombrs:

I found the fancy wording in our IEP for it. We call it an FBA, a functional Behavior Assesment. Not sure if you just have a different name for it or if getting them to try this would be better

 

http://www.behavioradvisor.com/FBA.html


While educators are required to conduct an FBA when persistent behavioral concerns exist (FBA is commonly a part of the pre-referral and referral activities, and IEP development, review, and revision for misbehaving students) they are also required by law to conduct it within 10 days of any singular offense by a student with a disability that is punishable by:
-suspension
-removal to an Interim Alternative Educational Setting.  An IAES is a placement, outside of the present school building, where kids who have broken the law, violated an important school regulation, or been aggressive can be sent by the school administrator for up to 40 days.  All services presently provided by the school must be continued in this new placement, and the behavior that led to the transfer must be addressed (perhaps via counseling or instruction).  The FBA is conducted in order to understand the reason for the behavior, and to devise ways to prevent it’s occurrence in the future when the youngster returns to the home school.  In some proactive states, FBA is designated to be conducted as part of an on-going program to identify students in need of specialized services, not only as an isolated practice for severe school code violations.

Quoting mommaTLC186:

 

My son already has a BIP in place but they don't follow it/reenforce it ... its basically a useless piece of paper right now. That would be very helpful if someone would observe, give notes and ideas! Thank you for your support :)

Quoting lasombrs:

Well thats good. I think we call the behavior plan a different name in our state but my son has one and it has been helpful. They also had someone from the more restrictive school they send some children to come and watch my son in class a few days and make notes and give them ideas on how to help so that he did not need to be removed and sent to this other school. Good luck!

 

 


 


 


 

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