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I seem to remember reading a post once from someone on here who has never reported to their district that they are homeschooling...? Has anyone here not reported as they are "required"? You can pm me if you'd rather not reply here.
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by on Mar. 19, 2013 at 10:41 PM
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bren_darlene
by Bronze Member on Mar. 21, 2013 at 10:52 AM
We still would not report. As far as we are concerned reporting to the government is saying that they have a right to have a say in our children's lives. They do not. As least as far as we are concerned. These children belong to us and we answer to our Heavenly Father who gave them to us. If people wish to allow the government a say in their lives that is up to them but for people to attack anyone that doesn't want it is so wrong. If they even try and make us we would just pack up and move to Mo, Tx, or Ok. It is that important to us.
Quoting Mommy2Phenley:

I see AR has requirements beyond just letter of intent. If you lived in a state that only required you to inform them but did not require testing, portfolios, or any oversight whatsoever, would you still choose not to report as a homeschooler? Have you ever been concerned about getting caught? Has it ever limited you?


Quoting bren_darlene:

Have lived in AR for 6 yrs now (home educating for 20+ yrs) and have never "reported" or had my children tested. I prefer them to not even know where we are.  Have met many people that do not comply. Our children belong to us. Not the government.



 I am a stay at home,  home educating, non-vaxingmother to many children :)  And a very happy wife to a wonderful man!!!

bluerooffarm
by Gold Member on Mar. 21, 2013 at 11:17 AM
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 Education of the public is truly the key to getting many of our problems fixed... obesity, health issues, education, you name it. 

I am an introvert, so I have such a hard time getting out there.  But we are still working out in the community because it is so important.

Quoting tuffymama:

"...I have been helping to campaign for a change in PA, but it is really an uphill battle."
It really is a fight. DH and I have had some success in changing people's opinions about some rather critical political, educational, moral, and safety issues, purely by example. I have the bad habit of becoming complacent and shutting people out while I do my own thing, but DH has taught me that continuous outreach is my responsibility if I want to make this world a better place for all of our kids. One of DH's degrees is in marketing, and he has said that two big motivators for human beings are still fear and greed, and playing on those will deliver results. After all, it's what the "bad guys" do.

We start with food. Everyone has to eat, right? Drawing attention in a friendly, concerned way, to what people put in their mouths and bodies is a great way to broach myriad subjects, and I start by feeding people. Because every hand in Congress is tainted by palming money from GMO and pesticide tainted food that CHILDREN eat in this country, I can get my foot in the door to go on to discussions about Big Pharma, socialized medicine, socialist indoctrination in our schools, the business of keeping people sick to pad pockets, homeschooling without fear of incarceration or state-sanctioned child abduction, a poisonous Food Pyramid (or plate or whatever) cooked up by the FDA to make us all sick and fat on grains while the corporate food processors get richer, the governement illegally disarming the people to strip them of their rights and property (and other rights violations), aborted human babies being used to formulate FOOD FLAVORING ingredients (effing horror show, right?), and on and on. I wind out enough lead to bring someone in so they ask questions. Anyone can preach it. I prefer to teach it. And I can't teach from a soapbox or locked away in my own head.

It helps that so many people can actually witness the very real and positive change in my ASD son, brought about through clean, organic, grain-free diet. Everyone now is touched by ASD, and most want to know what they can do to "fix" it or lessen the destructive effects. I'm a big proponent of clean diet and healthy supplements, and I stay well by staying out of the doctor's office. My lifestyle choices naturally lead me to homeschool, and my heart and my strong sense of moral right make it uncomfortable for me to live under the thumb of the government, so I have a natural platform right there.

It takes changed minds to change laws, and an educated mind is a changed one. I feel I have to work from within a system to change it, because I am one person with a small voice. That is why I follow the rules. That doesn't mean I have to like all of them or I won't work to change them (and being legally bound to report triggers nasty threats to homeschooling rights and personal freedoms). I will fight this fight if it kills me, because our future is only as strong as the bodies and minds of our children and grandchildren, and all their children and grandchildren.

 

kirbymom
by Sonja on Mar. 21, 2013 at 12:31 PM
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You know, I have moved for my convictions.  More than once too.  You'd be surprised at how easy it really can be to just pick up and move. I've had to do this several times. My view is this, if you are doing everything you can possibly do then it will show in the resulting product. Our children. THAT is why I do not report. The nay-sayers have nothing they can get their grubby hands on as far as any wrong doing or any neglect. Nor will they as long as I do  my job. 

Quoting irvinehiker:

You're right this seems to be a hot issue.  I can see both sides.  I'm fortunate enough to live in a state where I don't have to compromise my idea of a good education.  I have the freedom to allow my children to learn without any govt. involvement.    If I lived in a state with high regulations I would have to make a tough decision.  I will not compromise how I educate my kids so I would have to consider not reporting.  I highly respect those who choose to not report.  It takes real courage to go against the govt for a personal conviction.  I honestly don't think I could so I would have to move.  :)  

Quoting kirbymom:

You know, it seems this has hit a sore spot with many in here, I hope that we don't forget the reason this group is gaining so much in popularity.  We are always able to get along even, if and when, we disagree with other view points.  



oredeb
by on Mar. 21, 2013 at 5:24 PM
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 heck, i wouldnt even report if the govern. gave homeschoolers tax credits in our state for following the law 

bren_darlene
by Bronze Member on Mar. 21, 2013 at 9:51 PM
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LOL, Us either!!
Quoting oredeb:

 heck, i wouldnt even report if the govern. gave homeschoolers tax credits in our state for following the law 


 I am a stay at home,  home educating, non-vaxingmother to many children :)  And a very happy wife to a wonderful man!!!

Walnutgrovefarm
by on Mar. 21, 2013 at 9:59 PM

When I pulled my ds out of ps after completing second grade I wrote a letter to the principle notifitying the school that he would be hs'ed. I had two other children in the ps still who have graduated. I have not had an issue with the district. They know me well I have been very active in the school with my ps children. We live in a small community that has a lot of homeschoolers. We also are blessed to be in a state that is very relaxed on homeschooling. Would I notify the school district if it was a law? Yes, just to keep the peace. But I believe it's to each his own. We have to make the best decisions for our children and family and it looks like most of us on the site have put our children first.

Mommy2Phenley
by Bronze Member on Mar. 21, 2013 at 10:48 PM
What's making me pause is my reasons for wanting to not report. I'm against it on principle, but I don't know if I'm wanting to not report to make a stand for that, or if i'm more being a stubborn child saying "you can't make me!"

I have always had authority issues and can't stand being told what to do. So while I am against the state having control on a much deeper level, I don't know if my desire to not report is coming from that deeper level or a surface level rebelliousness.

Does that make any sense at all? Lol


Quoting oredeb:

 heck, i wouldnt even report if the govern. gave homeschoolers tax credits in our state for following the law 


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liliem
by on Mar. 21, 2013 at 11:49 PM

Unfortunately the legal system really isn't legit anymore. You consent in ways that you have no idea you do. Some people do actually know the laws and do not consent and therefore do not need to adhere to them nor are they prosecuted, because they understand how it works. The sheeply she is talking abount on the other hand don't know and live in fear and conform. Sad but true. The courts today follow british rule and are under the queen and are under maritime law, then there are other umbrella's as well. But there is a clause where you can invoke common law which you can keep your rights. These people that act this way aren't that smart though. I do agree that depending on where you choose to live you will be forced to conform to a certain degree, i.e. North Carolina and Mississippi with their vaccination laws. But you can not change it within the system because the system was designed this way for a reason. 

Quoting AutymsMommy:


You doubt it?

Yes, because the government doesn't charge parents with truancy if their public schooled enrolled children miss too much school. They do. The government doesn't remove children if they believe the parents are abusing or neglecting children, no matter how the parents feels that the government should keep out of their business - oh wait, they do that too!

My point is only this - whether you like the law or not, you follow them; if you do not, you are subject to be punished. If you want to change the law, work within it to do so, not from the fringe. They can, and will (and have) punished people for breaking the law, whether that person agrees with the law or not.

Quoting homeschoolx3:



Quoting all2gethernow:

I've known homeschooler that did not report. Now their kids are teens and their lives are off track. Also knew someone who got caught..they tested her kids, demanded in home visits...the kids were pre-teens and could not read or write. CPS got involved, kids were removed, put in school. It invites trouble Easier to follow the laws. For everyone.

I highly doubt this true. the last time I checked,  this is supposed to be America. People have become sheep and do whatever the govt demands of them. Funny how those that live without govt interverence do so much better that those who bow down to the govt's demands and follow illegal laws made to keep the sheep in line.





AutymsMommy
by Silver Member on Mar. 21, 2013 at 11:59 PM
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I'm not sure I understand. Are you inferring (or asserting) that people do not need to follow laws? That they are actually under no legal obligation to do so, as citizens of the United States?

I'm a libertarian. I am, almost to an extreme, against big government. I will not, however, teach my children to fight this from the fringe, risking everything they hold dear, just to prove a point. I refuse to believe that it is necessary. The laws CAN be changed from within, with enough perseverance, prayer, and intelligence; a little less "conspiracy theory".

Quoting liliem:

Unfortunately the legal system really isn't legit anymore. You consent in ways that you have no idea you do. Some people do actually know the laws and do not consent and therefore do not need to adhere to them nor are they prosecuted, because they understand how it works. The sheeply she is talking abount on the other hand don't know and live in fear and conform. Sad but true. The courts today follow british rule and are under the queen and are under maritime law, then there are other umbrella's as well. But there is a clause where you can invoke common law which you can keep your rights. These people that act this way aren't that smart though. I do agree that depending on where you choose to live you will be forced to conform to a certain degree, i.e. North Carolina and Mississippi with their vaccination laws. But you can not change it within the system because the system was designed this way for a reason. 

Quoting AutymsMommy:


You doubt it?

Yes, because the government doesn't charge parents with truancy if their public schooled enrolled children miss too much school. They do. The government doesn't remove children if they believe the parents are abusing or neglecting children, no matter how the parents feels that the government should keep out of their business - oh wait, they do that too!

My point is only this - whether you like the law or not, you follow them; if you do not, you are subject to be punished. If you want to change the law, work within it to do so, not from the fringe. They can, and will (and have) punished people for breaking the law, whether that person agrees with the law or not.

Quoting homeschoolx3:



Quoting all2gethernow:

I've known homeschooler that did not report. Now their kids are teens and their lives are off track. Also knew someone who got caught..they tested her kids, demanded in home visits...the kids were pre-teens and could not read or write. CPS got involved, kids were removed, put in school. It invites trouble Easier to follow the laws. For everyone.

I highly doubt this true. the last time I checked,  this is supposed to be America. People have become sheep and do whatever the govt demands of them. Funny how those that live without govt interverence do so much better that those who bow down to the govt's demands and follow illegal laws made to keep the sheep in line.







I am a Home Schooling, Vaccinating, Non spanking, Nightmare Cuddling, Dessert Giving, Bedtime Kissing, Book Reading, Stay at Home Mom. I believe in the benefit of organized after school activities and nosy, involved parents. I believe in spoiling my children. I believe that I have seen the village and I do not want it anywhere near my children. Now for the controversial stuff: we have traditional gender roles, we're Catholic, I'm Libertarian, he's Republican, we're both conservative, and we own guns (now there's no need to ask, lol).             Aimee














liliem
by on Mar. 22, 2013 at 8:21 AM

Yeah, someone told me that when I was twenty and I believed it too. No, it's not that easy and its not practical. The laws are designed to milk money into government and fund them and control the people more and more. There are smarter ways to keep people safe and better technology that is not approved for use because it is systematically being held back. Everyone is already fighting for change. Using common law is not brain science, it's actually much easier than and a simpler law than the statutory ones. I'm not advocating people break the laws, only don't give obedience if its an illegal law that wouldn't hold up constitutionally because you are giving up your rights as a human being. This is not "conspiracy theory" it's well documented in court cases if you've done your research. 

Quoting AutymsMommy:


I'm not sure I understand. Are you inferring (or asserting) that people do not need to follow laws? That they are actually under no legal obligation to do so, as citizens of the United States?

I'm a libertarian. I am, almost to an extreme, against big government. I will not, however, teach my children to fight this from the fringe, risking everything they hold dear, just to prove a point. I refuse to believe that it is necessary. The laws CAN be changed from within, with enough perseverance, prayer, and intelligence; a little less "conspiracy theory".

Quoting liliem:

Unfortunately the legal system really isn't legit anymore. You consent in ways that you have no idea you do. Some people do actually know the laws and do not consent and therefore do not need to adhere to them nor are they prosecuted, because they understand how it works. The sheeply she is talking abount on the other hand don't know and live in fear and conform. Sad but true. The courts today follow british rule and are under the queen and are under maritime law, then there are other umbrella's as well. But there is a clause where you can invoke common law which you can keep your rights. These people that act this way aren't that smart though. I do agree that depending on where you choose to live you will be forced to conform to a certain degree, i.e. North Carolina and Mississippi with their vaccination laws. But you can not change it within the system because the system was designed this way for a reason. 

Quoting AutymsMommy:


You doubt it?

Yes, because the government doesn't charge parents with truancy if their public schooled enrolled children miss too much school. They do. The government doesn't remove children if they believe the parents are abusing or neglecting children, no matter how the parents feels that the government should keep out of their business - oh wait, they do that too!

My point is only this - whether you like the law or not, you follow them; if you do not, you are subject to be punished. If you want to change the law, work within it to do so, not from the fringe. They can, and will (and have) punished people for breaking the law, whether that person agrees with the law or not.

Quoting homeschoolx3:



Quoting all2gethernow:

I've known homeschooler that did not report. Now their kids are teens and their lives are off track. Also knew someone who got caught..they tested her kids, demanded in home visits...the kids were pre-teens and could not read or write. CPS got involved, kids were removed, put in school. It invites trouble Easier to follow the laws. For everyone.

I highly doubt this true. the last time I checked,  this is supposed to be America. People have become sheep and do whatever the govt demands of them. Funny how those that live without govt interverence do so much better that those who bow down to the govt's demands and follow illegal laws made to keep the sheep in line.








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