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"Our" children vs. "My" children

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 I saw this video today, and I understand what she was trying to say; However, the video still seemed creepy to me.  What do you ladies think?

http://www.westernjournalism.com/msnbc-host-all-your-kids-belong-to-us/

by on Apr. 9, 2013 at 7:50 AM
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CJsMommy040506
by on Apr. 9, 2013 at 10:23 PM
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Quoting kikikats:

My children are mine. Society was not entrusted with them we were. We homeschool, what I teach them isn't up to the government. Every socialist and communist government believed this philosophy. I don't want the community to teach my children their morals or philosophy. I don't share the majority of them. That video creeped me out. It's not a part of a larger segment. It was a clip that aired on msnbc. I checked.


Amen! I heard this on the radio and I was furious. My children don't belong to anyone other than my husband and I, and God. 

Crowsnest5
by on Apr. 10, 2013 at 7:27 AM

Honestly it sounds like communism to me. Ultimately, my children belong to God. He entrusted them to our care (husband and myself).  I urge everyone to watch the video "Agenga, the Grinding Down of America"... you will have your eyes opened! And this video urges parents to HOME-SCHOOL their children :)

bluerooffarm
by Gold Member on Apr. 10, 2013 at 9:31 AM

 

Quoting Crowsnest5:

Honestly it sounds like communism to me. Ultimately, my children belong to God. He entrusted them to our care (husband and myself).  I urge everyone to watch the video "Agenga, the Grinding Down of America"... you will have your eyes opened! And this video urges parents to HOME-SCHOOL their children :)

 I felt happy that I homeschool if the mentality that was presented in that video is out there in the "mainstream" culture.

celticdragon77
by on Apr. 10, 2013 at 9:45 AM

She meant that your child is not JUST ONLY YOUR child, but ALSO part of something bigger - a community of people - a society. A part of a quilt. This IS true! However there is a point where this notion can go too far and one has to maintain a careful balance. 

"live in the sunshine, swim the sea, drink the wild air..." Emerson 

bluerooffarm
by Gold Member on Apr. 10, 2013 at 9:48 AM

 

Quoting celticdragon77:

She meant that your child is not JUST ONLY YOUR child, but ALSO part of something bigger - a community of people - a society. A part of a quilt. This IS true! However there is a point where this notion can go too far and one has to maintain a careful balance.

 
As I said, I know what she was trying to say, but it is NOT what she said.  Our government has not walked that balance well, so I am not comfortable with this "Promo" on MSNBC.

OFIH
by on Apr. 10, 2013 at 9:54 AM

I read the original quote and I don't like it. I have very clear understandings of who these children "belong" to (they aren't pieces of property, so that's not even a word I love) and it's not to "all of us". This mindset is not a healthy one and it scares me quite a bit. Believe me, it's not just schools that feel this way. It's a growing movement.

OFIH - Lover of God, wife to awesome, mommy to two incredibles, controller of chaos.



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OFIH
by on Apr. 10, 2013 at 9:57 AM
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If this was honestly all they meant, I would be completely Ok with it. The problem is that last part you said, "this notion can go too far and one has to maintain a careful balance". I have yet to see that balance. Yes, we are part of something bigger. No, it's not other people's responsibility to make sure my children are fitting into their idea of what that something bigger is.
Quoting celticdragon77:

She meant that your child is not JUST ONLY YOUR child, but ALSO part of something bigger - a community of people - a society. A part of a quilt. This IS true! However there is a point where this notion can go too far and one has to maintain a careful balance. 

OFIH - Lover of God, wife to awesome, mommy to two incredibles, controller of chaos.



My blog - From Traffic To Tractors

bluerooffarm
by Gold Member on Apr. 10, 2013 at 10:03 AM

 

Quoting OFIH:

I read the original quote and I don't like it. I have very clear understandings of who these children "belong" to (they aren't pieces of property, so that's not even a word I love) and it's not to "all of us". This mindset is not a healthy one and it scares me quite a bit. Believe me, it's not just schools that feel this way. It's a growing movement.

 I've noticed that movement growing as well.  It seems that every gov't agency now has ideas for how to raise our children, not just the PS system.  It's very disappointing. 

celticdragon77
by on Apr. 10, 2013 at 10:21 AM
Quoting bluerooffarm:

 

Quoting celticdragon77:

She meant that your child is not JUST ONLY YOUR child, but ALSO part of something bigger - a community of people - a society. A part of a quilt. This IS true! However there is a point where this notion can go too far and one has to maintain a careful balance.

 
As I said, I know what she was trying to say, but it is NOT what she said.  Our government has not walked that balance well, so I am not comfortable with this "Promo" on MSNBC.

This is a very small sound bit and I can not find it in its full context - which makes it difficult to have a fair argument concerning what she says here. I can only go by what she herself says in this small sound bit. She starts off saying that "we have never invested as much as we should in Public education Because..." Now this seems to indicate that she is referring to our education system not having enough support - but she doesn't say in what way. But this first bit helps nail down her reference point. Then she goes on to say how it is because "we have never had the collective notion Of "these are our children".

I find her point of view interesting and I am very curious to hear the entirety of her thoughts. I may end up agreeing or disagreeing. But it's a worthy enough thought to reflect on. Our children DO grow up and DO become a part of a community. A lot of children DO get left behind! Especially in poor communities. They grow up and enter into the community and where are they likely to end up? Do you support them via welfare, prison, or the etc? It effects all of us!

"live in the sunshine, swim the sea, drink the wild air..." Emerson 

bluerooffarm
by Gold Member on Apr. 10, 2013 at 11:02 AM

 

Quoting celticdragon77:

Quoting bluerooffarm:

 

Quoting celticdragon77:

She meant that your child is not JUST ONLY YOUR child, but ALSO part of something bigger - a community of people - a society. A part of a quilt. This IS true! However there is a point where this notion can go too far and one has to maintain a careful balance.

 
As I said, I know what she was trying to say, but it is NOT what she said.  Our government has not walked that balance well, so I am not comfortable with this "Promo" on MSNBC.

This is a very small sound bit and I can not find it in its full context - which makes it difficult to have a fair argument concerning what she says here. I can only go by what she herself says in this small sound bit. She starts off saying that "we have never invested as much as we should in Public education Because..." Now this seems to indicate that she is referring to our education system not having enough support - but she doesn't say in what way. But this first bit helps nail down her reference point. Then she goes on to say how it is because "we have never had the collective notion Of "these are our children".

I find her point of view interesting and I am very curious to hear the entirety of her thoughts. I may end up agreeing or disagreeing. But it's a worthy enough thought to reflect on. Our children DO grow up and DO become a part of a community. A lot of children DO get left behind! Especially in poor communities. They grow up and enter into the community and where are they likely to end up? Do you support them via welfare, prison, or the etc? It effects all of us!

 There is no entirety.  This was it.  It's not a byte from a whole interview.  This is a promo that MSNBC is running.  So I would suggest that they believe that this is their whole point. 

If people are not willing to volunteer in the schools for "their own kids" then others from the community at large are not going to be willing to volunteer either.  Making the argument that the kids belong to all of us is not going to change that fact.  So where could this argument possibly go?  I agree there absolutely has to be more, however it isn't here.  There are no conclusions reached, so it's for the audience to decide.  IMO it is the beginning of a dangerous idea.  To imply that my children belong to the community more than just to me?  That is a dangerous philosophy.  And I find it especially dangerous since she doesn't bring it to a conclusion.  It's just a quick idea floating out there, not connected to anything.  It COULD be the beginning of an argument to send ALL kids to public schools, since I don't "own" my kids, I can't possibly teach them to "belong" to the community.  I HOPE that isn't the argument she is starting, but it could be.  Since she doesn't conclude her argument, we have NO IDEA where she is going with it.  Which IMO makes it all the more dangerous.

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