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What is it about public school that you are against?

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 I am curious as to what everyone is afraid of with public school. I went to school growing up and it wasn't evil. My kids went to public school and it wasn't evil. What am I missing?

I chose to home school because I felt that I could give them a better one on one and focus on reading where they were lacking. We are Catholic but it has nothing to do with why I home school. No matter what the school teaches I am confident in my parenting and what our family believes and has taught our children. Even when they were in public school I was very involved in their education and what they were learning. If something was being taught that I didn't agree with we always discussed it. I always knew where my kids were, what they were doing and who they were hanging around.

I just don't understand what is so evil about public school. Is it the curriculum? Being around people who believe differently than you?

by on Jun. 27, 2013 at 6:39 PM
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Remy11
by Member on Jul. 1, 2013 at 10:43 AM
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This may have been asked and I'm not judging at all! I just wonder why you belong to a homeschool group if you don't and don't plan to ever homeschool? I am just wondering :)


Quoting Lorik1969:

Public schools are brainwashing centers. It's nothing new, but it seems to be getting worse. I've reeducated my kids on certain topics after they tell me what they've learned that day. I wouldn't homeschool becasue I don't feel qualified to do so, plus I want them to have the social interaction on a daily basis.

Remy11
by Member on Jul. 1, 2013 at 10:54 AM
Can I ask where in the world you live? I'm not disputing it but I want to make sure I never move there! And I don't mean specifically but is it a big city? I was a state social worker for many years and have been in and out of dozens of school and have never seen anything even remotely like this at all.
It is true that teachers are not supposed to hug any longer etc.. But they are taught to have an open door policy for kids to feel safe coming to them.. At that point they direct them to the people who can help further. No they shouldn't be giving therapy but they can (and in my experience do) listen. As for the hugging.. I have actually had to work on stupid cases where the teacher got in trouble for comforting a child in that way.. Because it was against regulations.. (I just threw them out) but many teachers if its a need of a child will break the rules and put their jobs on the line for a child.. Not all but many.. Yes many teachers are over worked and jaded but I hope that it is the exception and not the rule.

That being said my reasons to HS have nothing to do with teachers and behaviors or even moral issues. I can teach my child better and the way that I want.. Plain and simple. However when he gets older he will attend special classes (of his choosing) at the public school choosing and participate in after school activities and sports.


Quoting Rust.n.Gears:

I do not know where you teach but that is not how it is here.


My daughter is 18 now and flat our refuses to even put her own children that she will have years from now into public school. She said flat out she was ignored by multiple teachers the day a boy tried to kill her. They would not let her speak to them, no one would hold her, she got shoved away by one teacher when she finally tried to force herself into her arms, and she ended up having to sneak into the teachers lounge to call me because no one would call me. She went to numerous teachers. I was told they couldn't let her talk because they were not therapists. Um .... no that is not ok. She was on his hit list. It was the most disgusting thing I ever heard of.


I went into the school past the police officers to see children in puppy piles being yelled at for holding each other. The kids could not move though. Many children flat out wandered off campus when no one was looking. I spent the rest of the day calling parents and bringing children I didn't even know back and forth from the school because no parents were called. Kids kept asking me to please take them too. I know dozens of families that pulled their kids that day. Later we had to attend a town meeting where we were scolded as parents by a teacher because our children didn't know how to cope with a boy bringing a gun to school. The kids were 12 years old. I just do not get where anyone cared about the kids.  


Now mind you I have a list of other incidences going back to kindergarten. I never saw any shred of humanity from my childrens educators. Some areas just have nothing left. The good teachers just don't stay here. I am serious. I have seen many leave because they can't handle the schools yet the kids are forced to stay there.


My biggest regret is thinking that homeschooling was so horrible for so long. I was taught that this was the worst idea ever. Now I know better. I would not put my kids back in these schools but we can not move yet. Once we can I may actually put my kids into a public school ......... in another country.


Quoting MelanieKross:


I am a publc school teacher and I second that!  Was it an experience with a bad teacher?  Because if so there are negative people in every profession, but 90% are wonderful people who are really helping children in a public school setting...??


 


Lorik1969
by on Jul. 1, 2013 at 11:02 AM
This post just showed up on my thread. I didn't even realize which group it was when I commented lol! I do hate public schools, I just don't feel qualified to homeschool. Plus my ds is an introvert, so school is where most of his socializing occurs.


Quoting Remy11:

This may have been asked and I'm not judging at all! I just wonder why you belong to a homeschool group if you don't and don't plan to ever homeschool? I am just wondering :)




Quoting Lorik1969:

Public schools are brainwashing centers. It's nothing new, but it seems to be getting worse. I've reeducated my kids on certain topics after they tell me what they've learned that day. I wouldn't homeschool becasue I don't feel qualified to do so, plus I want them to have the social interaction on a daily basis.


kirbymom
by Sonja on Jul. 1, 2013 at 11:53 AM
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Quoting Lorik1969:






No disrespect meant or intended But, I was/am an introvert and public school is no place for an introverted child. Especially if one is as introverted as I was as a child. I was so introverted that I would run screaming or crying if anyone would look at me. Let alone speak to me.
oredeb
by debbie on Jul. 1, 2013 at 12:38 PM
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 hi lorik!

why dont you think you are qualified to homeschool? i bet you'd make a good homeschool teacher.

Quoting Lorik1969:

This post just showed up on my thread. I didn't even realize which group it was when I commented lol! I do hate public schools, I just don't feel qualified to homeschool. Plus my ds is an introvert, so school is where most of his socializing occurs.


Quoting Remy11:

This may have been asked and I'm not judging at all! I just wonder why you belong to a homeschool group if you don't and don't plan to ever homeschool? I am just wondering :)




Quoting Lorik1969:

Public schools are brainwashing centers. It's nothing new, but it seems to be getting worse. I've reeducated my kids on certain topics after they tell me what they've learned that day. I wouldn't homeschool becasue I don't feel qualified to do so, plus I want them to have the social interaction on a daily basis.


 

Lorik1969
by on Jul. 1, 2013 at 12:50 PM
Thanks, but I've spoken with his teachers since elementary school, he does have friends in school. He just doesn't like ti socialize when he is home. He'll talk on the phone or play live on xbox with friends from school, but he doesn't like to engage in social activities outside of school. I think if he was home all of the time, he would become a hermit lol.


Quoting kirbymom:

Quoting Lorik1969:










No disrespect meant or intended But, I was/am an introvert and public school is no place for an introverted child. Especially if one is as introverted as I was as a child. I was so introverted that I would run screaming or crying if anyone would look at me. Let alone speak to me.

kirbymom
by Sonja on Jul. 1, 2013 at 1:01 PM
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Quoting Lorik1969:




Its good that he interacts with others. :) I know that everyone thought I would end up a hermit too.Instead, I married one of the most socialized men in the whole planet!! He has helped me overcome a lot of my introvertedness. Plus having 7 children who are also very social kids has helped me as well. lol
AutymsMommy
by Silver Member on Jul. 1, 2013 at 1:15 PM


I don't think a bad teacher would force many into homeschooling.

First let's clarify something - nobody needs a REASON to homeschool - I can't say this enough. I see (in many posts all over CM) people asking WHY would a person homeschool. Well, why not? Public education is an OPTIONAL government service, that anyone is free to take or leave, it is not mandated or required. Somewhere along the line, it became the default.

There are some exceptional teachers out there (many, in fact), but they too are overwhelmed. My daughter had one of these wonderful teachers in her fourth grade year. He was amazing, but he was so overwhelmed with little johnny coming to school hungry, susie coming to school dirty, and little timmy coming to school sexually harassing the other children, that he had no time to dedicate to helping my struggling dyslexic daughter (and this in a state that doesn't recognize dyslexia as a "special need", so there weren't many resources, because a dyslexic child can often "skate by" and that's good enough for them - never mind that, admitted by her own teacher, she was simply skating by, not reaching her full potential). We pulled her after that.

A recent conversation with a woman I was interviewing (for a part time sitting job in my home during "date nights", lol) solidified my fears. She is an elementary school teacher... she told me that with the budget cuts, all but the most severely special needs children were forced into regular ed classrooms, with regular ed teachers like herself. What did this mean? According to her, the more special ed students a regular ed teacher had, the more the school "stacked the deck" for that class - so because she had a significant number of formerly special ed children in her classroom, the other part of her class was filled with the best and brightest. She is NOT trained as a special needs teacher - so this stacked classroom means that she has to dedicate her ENTIRE day to her special needs children, leaving those "best and brightest" students to essentially teach themselves (her words). She is a wonderful woman and seemed honestly distraught over this, but it wasn't in her power to fix it - those special needs children should not have been mainstreamed at this time.

I met another teacher who recently retired. She retired because she felt that the profession was becoming more about following a script and less about teaching. She very wistfully relayed that "back in the day" the amount of training she had underwent ensured she could teach ANYTHING creatively, with only a pencil and a piece of paper. These days, however, she felt she had no room for creativity and that made her sad enough, and feel powerless enough, that she retired... hoping that her grandchildren would be homeschooled.

We have a fair number of former school teachers turned homeschool parent in our local homeschool co-op as well; not only did they quit teaching, but they either pulled their children from school, or never sent them.

I know many, many CURRENT teachers who are disgusted with the test prep atmosphere and the implementation of common core standards.

Quoting MelanieKross:

I am a publc school teacher and I second that!  Was it an experience with a bad teacher?  Because if so there are negative people in every profession, but 90% are wonderful people who are really helping children in a public school setting...??



I am a Home Schooling, Vaccinating, Non spanking, Nightmare Cuddling, Dessert Giving, Bedtime Kissing, Book Reading, Stay at Home Mom. I believe in the benefit of organized after school activities and nosy, involved parents. I believe in spoiling my children. I believe that I have seen the village and I do not want it anywhere near my children. Now for the controversial stuff: we have traditional gender roles, we're Catholic, I'm Libertarian, he's Republican, we're both conservative, and we own guns (now there's no need to ask, lol).             Aimee














Rust.n.Gears
by on Jul. 1, 2013 at 1:15 PM
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I am in Agawam, MA. It's a tiny place.

I am sick to death of the hugging crap. A boy trred to kill her. She needs to be held.

At the time it was about survival. That's why I pulled the kids. I now know I can teach better.


Quoting Remy11:

Can I ask where in the world you live? I'm not disputing it but I want to make sure I never move there! And I don't mean specifically but is it a big city? I was a state social worker for many years and have been in and out of dozens of school and have never seen anything even remotely like this at all.

It is true that teachers are not supposed to hug any longer etc.. But they are taught to have an open door policy for kids to feel safe coming to them.. At that point they direct them to the people who can help further. No they shouldn't be giving therapy but they can (and in my experience do) listen. As for the hugging.. I have actually had to work on stupid cases where the teacher got in trouble for comforting a child in that way.. Because it was against regulations.. (I just threw them out) but many teachers if its a need of a child will break the rules and put their jobs on the line for a child.. Not all but many.. Yes many teachers are over worked and jaded but I hope that it is the exception and not the rule.



That being said my reasons to HS have nothing to do with teachers and behaviors or even moral issues. I can teach my child better and the way that I want.. Plain and simple. However when he gets older he will attend special classes (of his choosing) at the public school choosing and participate in after school activities and sports.




Quoting Rust.n.Gears:

I do not know where you teach but that is not how it is here.



My daughter is 18 now and flat our refuses to even put her own children that she will have years from now into public school. She said flat out she was ignored by multiple teachers the day a boy tried to kill her. They would not let her speak to them, no one would hold her, she got shoved away by one teacher when she finally tried to force herself into her arms, and she ended up having to sneak into the teachers lounge to call me because no one would call me. She went to numerous teachers. I was told they couldn't let her talk because they were not therapists. Um .... no that is not ok. She was on his hit list. It was the most disgusting thing I ever heard of.



I went into the school past the police officers to see children in puppy piles being yelled at for holding each other. The kids could not move though. Many children flat out wandered off campus when no one was looking. I spent the rest of the day calling parents and bringing children I didn't even know back and forth from the school because no parents were called. Kids kept asking me to please take them too. I know dozens of families that pulled their kids that day. Later we had to attend a town meeting where we were scolded as parents by a teacher because our children didn't know how to cope with a boy bringing a gun to school. The kids were 12 years old. I just do not get where anyone cared about the kids.  



Now mind you I have a list of other incidences going back to kindergarten. I never saw any shred of humanity from my childrens educators. Some areas just have nothing left. The good teachers just don't stay here. I am serious. I have seen many leave because they can't handle the schools yet the kids are forced to stay there.



My biggest regret is thinking that homeschooling was so horrible for so long. I was taught that this was the worst idea ever. Now I know better. I would not put my kids back in these schools but we can not move yet. Once we can I may actually put my kids into a public school ......... in another country.



Quoting MelanieKross:



I am a publc school teacher and I second that!  Was it an experience with a bad teacher?  Because if so there are negative people in every profession, but 90% are wonderful people who are really helping children in a public school setting...??



 


romacox
by Silver Member on Jul. 1, 2013 at 2:05 PM

That is terrible, and there is no excuse for child abuse or neglect.  I am glad you pursued legal charges.


Quoting Rust.n.Gears:

I did not experience that in our public school system. I had to report two teachers for abusing my son and both led to investigations that ended in favor of my son. One woman was formally discharged from the educational system and forbidden from working in public school environments again. My daughter had tons of problems with her teachers as well. I was flat out told by one woman that she couldn't care about all the children. I fully believe that the teachers are jaded and taught now not to care. They can't offer help to students who need it, they can't hug a crying child, they can't ask the child what is even wrong at times. They are being desensitized to the needs of the children. 

Quoting romacox:

Most teachers and parents deeply care about the children in their care.  However in the U.S. public school system,  it is out of the teachers (and parents) hands.  American Schools Failing:  Not Finlands. Why


Quoting MelanieKross:

I am a publc school teacher and I second that!  Was it an experience with a bad teacher?  Because if so there are negative people in every profession, but 90% are wonderful people who are really helping children in a public school setting...??



 



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