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Teaching Tolerance --OR-- Not Teaching Toleranc ???

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I ran across this headline and wondered what your opinion of it is?

Do you agree with this statement or disagree with this statement?

"..banning homescool teaches tolerance? "



Obama Justice Department: Draconian Nazi-era law banning homeschooling promotes ‘tolerance’

Parents who homeschool in Germany face removal of their children, heavy fines, and even jail time.

  

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by on Jul. 6, 2013 at 4:22 PM
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celticdragon77
by on Jul. 6, 2013 at 4:50 PM
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Not enough people teach tolerance. Including MANY homeschoolers!!! This topic gets me passionate and worked up. TEACH TOLERANCE! 

“Our lives are important — at least to us — and as we see, so we learn… Our destiny is in the stars, so let’s go and search for it.” – First Doctor Who William Hartnell

kirbymom
by Sonja on Jul. 6, 2013 at 4:53 PM
Are you kidding me??!! How are there any of the social celebriies and the sports celebrities from thehomeschooling sector if all we wanted was to keep our kids under wraps? That just doesn't make any sense in my world.




Quoting bluerooffarm:

 Let me explain this fear.... They fear that all of us are teaching our children to only be tolerant of people that are just like us....as though we cannot possbily teach our children about diversity because of course we chain our children inside our houses all day long.  Grrr!  Anyway, that is the jist of this fear, that we are all only homsechooling inorder to shelter our children.


TJandKarasMom
by Debbie on Jul. 6, 2013 at 4:59 PM
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That's exactly it. And they think by putting all the kids in public school, the school can teach them tolerance. But if you think about it logically, the school is just as capable if teaching intolerance as homeschoolers are. Tolerance is really something parents needs to teach, and there can be different levels or kinds of tolerance.


Quoting bluerooffarm:

 Let me explain this fear.... They fear that all of us are teaching our children to only be tolerant of people that are just like us....as though we cannot possbily teach our children about diversity because of course we chain our children inside our houses all day long.  Grrr!  Anyway, that is the jist of this fear, that we are all only homsechooling inorder to shelter our children.


mem82
by Platinum Member on Jul. 6, 2013 at 5:05 PM
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UM, the Obama administration didn't state that they cited a GERMAN court that stated that.


His argument to the appellate court cited from a German court decision, which stated: “The general public has a justified interest in counteracting the development of religiously or philosophically motivated ‘parallel societies’ and in integrating minorities in this area. Integration does not only require that the majority of the population does not exclude religious or ideological minorities, but, in fact, that these minorities do not segregate themselves and that they do not close themselves off to a dialogue with dissenters and people of other beliefs. Dialogue with such minorities is an enrichment for an open pluralistic society. The learning and practicing of this in the sense of experienced tolerance is an important lesson right from the elementary school stage. The presence of a broad spectrum of convictions in a classroom can sustainably develop the ability of all pupils in being tolerant and exercising the dialogue that is a basic requirement of democratic decision-making process.”

bluerooffarm
by Gold Member on Jul. 6, 2013 at 5:05 PM
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 Not kidding at all.  I've heard things like that said over and over again.  We are sheltering our kids, we are obviously teaching then things we wouldn't want looked into.  Some will even say they think most hs parents are controlling and even abusive.  It doesn't make sense at all.  AND, it's okay for them to stereotype homeschoolers, make completely fabricated blanket statements about homeschoolers and be completely intolerant and quick to judge homeschoolers because there are these stories out there.... the gossipy "did you here about that homeschooling mom in..... she beat her kid for...."  Because one story is out there, that is what we are ALL like.  It ruffles my feathers!

Quoting kirbymom:

Are you kidding me??!! How are there any of the social celebriies and the sports celebrities from thehomeschooling sector if all we wanted was to keep our kids under wraps? That just doesn't make any sense in my world.




Quoting bluerooffarm:

 Let me explain this fear.... They fear that all of us are teaching our children to only be tolerant of people that are just like us....as though we cannot possbily teach our children about diversity because of course we chain our children inside our houses all day long.  Grrr!  Anyway, that is the jist of this fear, that we are all only homsechooling inorder to shelter our children.


 

bluerooffarm
by Gold Member on Jul. 6, 2013 at 5:09 PM
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 Of course putting kids in the PSs is the answer.  How will our kids ever meet anyone different than they are?  *End sarcasm font*

We just spent an entire week at family camp (Lutheran) with a man from Liberia!  Wow was that AMAZING!!!  He was in the middle of a war torn nation and his story is unfathomable.  Trust me, my kids just saw someone VERY different.

Quoting TJandKarasMom:

That's exactly it. And they think by putting all the kids in public school, the school can teach them tolerance. But if you think about it logically, the school is just as capable if teaching intolerance as homeschoolers are. Tolerance is really something parents needs to teach, and there can be different levels or kinds of tolerance.


Quoting bluerooffarm:

 Let me explain this fear.... They fear that all of us are teaching our children to only be tolerant of people that are just like us....as though we cannot possbily teach our children about diversity because of course we chain our children inside our houses all day long.  Grrr!  Anyway, that is the jist of this fear, that we are all only homsechooling inorder to shelter our children.


 

mem82
by Platinum Member on Jul. 6, 2013 at 5:12 PM
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The basic fact remains that they don't have a case in American court to plead asylum based on homeschooling. It's a freedom we have here, but it isn't a freedom everywhere. They are being allowed an education, just one the parents disagree with.

I think it is a sad case but I get agitated when people are blaming our government or specifically Obama's administration for this. It isn't the governments fault that these people chose this route when they could have easily applied for green cards and with all the sponsors here, gotten one.Instead, this case is being used by certain political parties to once again say that Obama is trying to take away our freedom with his socialist ideals. 8^/

I'm not saying anyone in this group is saying that, or believes that, I'm simply saying that's what websites like 'GOP daily' are putting it out there. It's skewed and it's wrong. Dislike Obama and his administration but dislike him on actual facts not conjore.

/rant

bluerooffarm
by Gold Member on Jul. 6, 2013 at 5:22 PM
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 Oh, I disagree with their case completely (as I've said on other threads) but the idea that the public schools can teach tolerance better than parents is definately a thread in the culture's story.  I think THAT is something we really need to talk about and understand that it is out there.  But, they don't have a case at all.  There were ways they could have come here, but IMO they really wanted this type of hype.

Quoting mem82:

The basic fact remains that they don't have a case in American court to plead asylum based on homeschooling. It's a freedom we have here, but it isn't a freedom everywhere. They are being allowed an education, just one the parents disagree with.

I think it is a sad case but I get agitated when people are blaming our government or specifically Obama's administration for this. It isn't the governments fault that these people chose this route when they could have easily applied for green cards and with all the sponsors here, gotten one.Instead, this case is being used by certain political parties to once again say that Obama is trying to take away our freedom with his socialist ideals. 8^/

I'm not saying anyone in this group is saying that, or believes that, I'm simply saying that's what websites like 'GOP daily' are putting it out there. It's skewed and it's wrong. Dislike Obama and his administration but dislike him on actual facts not conjore.

/rant

 

celticdragon77
by on Jul. 6, 2013 at 5:41 PM
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Oops, I missed those last two sentences in this post. Thought it was part of your siggy. 

I didn't realize that this post is about the German homeschoolers. Most homeschoolers ignore the FACTS and LAWS about this case and only want to see it as an attack against homeschoolers - which is an extreme stretch of the truth! Getting caught up in this propaganda makes homeschoolers look like fools!

Quoting celticdragon77:

Not enough people teach tolerance. Including MANY homeschoolers!!! This topic gets me passionate and worked up. TEACH TOLERANCE! 


“Our lives are important — at least to us — and as we see, so we learn… Our destiny is in the stars, so let’s go and search for it.” – First Doctor Who William Hartnell

lucsch
by on Jul. 6, 2013 at 6:05 PM
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I think many people today misrepresent what true tolerance means. Tolerance is a word which comes from tolerate. It doesn't have to mean you approve of someone's choices which are different from yours. It means you just have to put up with them. I can teach my kids why other people's choices are wrong according to our belief system. There isn't anything wrong about that. Saying there is would be considered "intolerant" would't it, by today's meaning of the word? It would be wrong to teach my kids to mistreat people or hate people who make those choices. That sums up  true tolerance. I am sorry if that offends anyone, but we don't accept everyone's lifestyles as a right and good alternative way to live.

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