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 found this on another homeschool site and a couple of other places, anyone else seen it? what do you think???

"a lady was contacted by the cps, they told her because of obamacare that she had to get her kids shots updated, and they also told her they had a list of homeschoolers in the united states and have a right to go into their homes if they dont get shots.

another lady called their local clinc and they said it wasnt true yet."

 

by on Aug. 23, 2013 at 11:05 AM
Replies (11-20):
Donna.June
by Member on Aug. 23, 2013 at 5:33 PM
I am mobile and cannot click it :/

I saw an article about this last week. The website seemed iffy to me, so I didn't really pay any attention to it.


Quoting romacox:

Ben Swann is a very credible reporter.  By the way, he was home schooled.  Here is what he reported  about this   Obama-care Provision Forced Home Inspections. 

P.S. In his article, he gives a link to the Health And Human Resources website where you can confirm the accuracy of what he is reporting. 

kirbymom
by Sonja on Aug. 23, 2013 at 5:35 PM
I won't be bullied or forced into doing anything that is against my beliefs or something I don't want to do!
Besides, I know how to be polite and turn the tables back on the fear mongering perpetrators. :)
mrs.hartman12
by on Aug. 23, 2013 at 5:41 PM
Quoting usmom3:




Thats why I refuse to tell them more than how many people live in my home. The census people hate me.
Maridel
by on Aug. 23, 2013 at 9:01 PM

I don't believe it but I havent done my research enough to know. I've always believed Obamacare would infringe on my rights to not vaccinate, but I doubt its starting so soon and so harsh.

PinkButterfly66
by on Aug. 23, 2013 at 9:46 PM
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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/aug/21/blog-posting/bloggers-say-obamacare-provision-will-allow-forced/

Bloggers say Obamacare provision will allow 'forced home inspections'

A startling Obamacare claim swept from blog to blog last week: "SHOCKING: Obamacare Provision Will Allow ‘Forced’ Home Inspections."

One blogger used a photo of armed officersentering a cottage, with the overline, "We’re from the government and we’re here to raid your home." Another said "this is why the IRS has beentraining with AR-15s."

A reader sent us a post from BenSwann.com, "Obamacare provision: ‘Forced’ home inspections."

He wondered if it were true. So did we.

South Carolina’s concern

"Forced home inspections"? Um, no.

The flurry originated with BenSwann.com blogger Joshua Cook on Aug. 13. He picked up the phrase "forced home inspections" from a state lawmaker in South Carolina.

Back in March, as a group of state legislators discussed a bill to fight the Affordable Care Act, Rep. Rick Quinn offered a specific example of something in the law that worried him: "The forced home inspections that I’ve heard about."

Cook was there. And the comment nagged him. He noticed people weren’t really writing about the issue.

"It's just been bothering me," he told PolitiFact.

So he wrote about it last week, talking with an attorney who spoke at the committee hearing and posting a video clip of Quinn’s comment.

"The point is South Carolina legislators believe it, and are convinced this is going to happen," Cook told us.

Quinn, indeed, had added an amendment to the South Carolina Freedom of Health Care Protection Act to prevent state workers from conducting any "involuntary … in-home visitation." It passed the House, but the Senate didn’t have a chance to vote. Cook says lawmakers hope to revive the legislation in the next session.

But that Obamacare program that worries Quinn? It already is — by statute — voluntary.

There’s literally nothing to suggest raids or weapons.

Home visiting programs

Concerned bloggers pointed to an Obamacare-funded grant program for "maternal, infant and early childhood home visiting." In 2011, the government announced $224 million in funding.

Most of those grants are going to health departments — none, so far, in South Carolina.

The idea: fund visits from nurses and social workers to high-risk families to help them develop skills to keep kids healthy, get them ready for school, and prevent child abuse and neglect.

Home-visit programs already existed in 40 states.

But to Kent Masterson Brown, a health care litigator invited by South Carolina lawmakers to help them avoid implementing Obamacare, the programs suggest overzealous nonprofits telling parents how to raise their children without their consent.

Brown raises the specter of a home-schooling family subject to "intervention" for school readiness, their children forced into schools and onto medications and vaccines.

"The federal government will now set the standards for raising children and will enforce them by home visits," he wrote about the law.

But consent is built into the program.

A home visitor could no more compel a family to vaccinate kids than a pediatrician could, said Kay Johnson, a professor of pediatrics at Dartmouth Medical School who’s one of the nation’s experts on state home visiting policy.

Here’s what the Affordable Care Act says: Home-visiting programs must assure they’ll have procedures that ensure "the participation of each eligible family in the program is voluntary."

Here’s how that might work, according to Sara Rosenbaum, a professor of health law and policy at George Washington University, who supports such programs.

A low-income mom gets her prenatal care at a community health center. Her doctor asks if she would like visits from a nurse after the baby comes to offer tips and answer questions.

Mom could say yes — or no.

It’s like the old days of health care, Rosenbaum said, when nurses would visit families to show how to breastfeed, sterilize bottles, care for babies and cope when you’re exhausted.

"It's real health education in the home, is the purpose of it," she said.

Such programs have a long history backed by peer-reviewed research, she said. They work.

"They make sure that you don't go home to nothing. It's done to help families, not to police them."

classic randomized trial in Elmira, N.Y., showed nurse visits to families of newborns reduced child abuse and neglect, even years later. They also reduced government spending for low-income unmarried women.

Brown, the lawyer, says he’s concerned families have no protection from social workers. He’s concerned workers won’t be well-trained and will overstep families’ rights.

Nobody should knock on your door without a badge, he said.

"What I see in this is a monster, frankly. And you can quote me on that," he said.

That’s the fear.

The law, however, specifies that programs be voluntary, their staffs trained and supervised, and thehome-visiting models they follow based on strong research.

Any "forced home inspection" wouldn’t be under the law — it would be in direct opposition to it.

And if a family welcomed help but later decided it made them uncomfortable?

Samantha Miller, a spokeswoman for the U.S. agency administering the program, said families could stop accepting services "without consequence at any time and for any reason."

Our ruling

Bloggers passed around a claim last week that a provision of the new health care law will allow "forced" home inspections by government agents.

But the program they pointed to provides grants for voluntary help to at-risk families from trained staff like nurses and social workers.

What bloggers describe would be an egregious abuse of the law — not what’s allowed by it. We rate the claim Pants on Fire.

celticdragon77
by on Aug. 23, 2013 at 10:27 PM

First off, it is not called "Obamacare" It is called "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act" or "PPACA" for short.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act

http://www.hhs.gov/healthcare/rights/law/index.html

An internet search of "Obamacare" can make your results biased.

celticdragon77
by on Aug. 23, 2013 at 10:42 PM
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Obama politics / anti homeschooling seem to come up a lot with Republican homeschoolers. I am of neither party line so I could give a damn other than as a homeschooler the misinformation gets to be a bit much.

So far none of Obama's politics influence me as a homeschooler. You know what DOES? Bush's "No Child Left Behind Act". I have to allow state testing on my children because of that. My state is Democratic state though... and I have some of the strictest homeschool laws. So it runs sour both ways.

letstalk747
by on Aug. 23, 2013 at 10:52 PM

thats just plain goin 2 damn far

kirbymom
by Sonja on Aug. 24, 2013 at 1:15 AM
4 moms liked this
And we all know how wonderful the government is about enforcing current laws today, don't we?
It has been my personal experience that from the local on up to the federal system says one thing and does another. I have been so mistreated so many times that I no longer trust anyone in any governmental capacity to see to mine or my family's needs.
I would sooner chew on a cyanide capsule than trust the government.

Quoting PinkButterfly66:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/aug/21/blog-posting/bloggers-say-obamacare-provision-will-allow-forced/

Bloggers say Obamacare provision will allow 'forced home inspections'

A startling Obamacare claim swept from blog to blog last week: "SHOCKING: Obamacare Provision Will Allow ‘Forced’ Home Inspections."

One blogger used a photo of armed officersentering a cottage, with the overline, "We’re from the government and we’re here to raid your home." Another said "this is why the IRS has beentraining with AR-15s."

A reader sent us a post from BenSwann.com, "Obamacare provision: ‘Forced’ home inspections."

He wondered if it were true. So did we.

South Carolina’s concern

"Forced home inspections"? Um, no.

The flurry originated with BenSwann.com blogger Joshua Cook on Aug. 13. He picked up the phrase "forced home inspections" from a state lawmaker in South Carolina.

Back in March, as a group of state legislators discussed a bill to fight the Affordable Care Act, Rep. Rick Quinn offered a specific example of something in the law that worried him: "The forced home inspections that I’ve heard about."

Cook was there. And the comment nagged him. He noticed people weren’t really writing about the issue.

"It's just been bothering me," he told PolitiFact.

So he wrote about it last week, talking with an attorney who spoke at the committee hearing and posting a video clip of Quinn’s comment.

"The point is South Carolina legislators believe it, and are convinced this is going to happen," Cook told us.

Quinn, indeed, had added an amendment to the South Carolina Freedom of Health Care Protection Act to prevent state workers from conducting any "involuntary … in-home visitation." It passed the House, but the Senate didn’t have a chance to vote. Cook says lawmakers hope to revive the legislation in the next session.

But that Obamacare program that worries Quinn? It already is — by statute — voluntary.

There’s literally nothing to suggest raids or weapons.

Home visiting programs

Concerned bloggers pointed to an Obamacare-funded grant program for "maternal, infant and early childhood home visiting." In 2011, the government announced $224 million in funding.

Most of those grants are going to health departments — none, so far, in South Carolina.

The idea: fund visits from nurses and social workers to high-risk families to help them develop skills to keep kids healthy, get them ready for school, and prevent child abuse and neglect.

Home-visit programs already existed in 40 states.

But to Kent Masterson Brown, a health care litigator invited by South Carolina lawmakers to help them avoid implementing Obamacare, the programs suggest overzealous nonprofits telling parents how to raise their children without their consent.

Brown raises the specter of a home-schooling family subject to "intervention" for school readiness, their children forced into schools and onto medications and vaccines.

"The federal government will now set the standards for raising children and will enforce them by home visits," he wrote about the law.

But consent is built into the program.

A home visitor could no more compel a family to vaccinate kids than a pediatrician could, said Kay Johnson, a professor of pediatrics at Dartmouth Medical School who’s one of the nation’s experts on state home visiting policy.

Here’s what the Affordable Care Act says: Home-visiting programs must assure they’ll have procedures that ensure "the participation of each eligible family in the program is voluntary."

Here’s how that might work, according to Sara Rosenbaum, a professor of health law and policy at George Washington University, who supports such programs.

A low-income mom gets her prenatal care at a community health center. Her doctor asks if she would like visits from a nurse after the baby comes to offer tips and answer questions.

Mom could say yes — or no.

It’s like the old days of health care, Rosenbaum said, when nurses would visit families to show how to breastfeed, sterilize bottles, care for babies and cope when you’re exhausted.

"It's real health education in the home, is the purpose of it," she said.

Such programs have a long history backed by peer-reviewed research, she said. They work.

"They make sure that you don't go home to nothing. It's done to help families, not to police them."

classic randomized trial in Elmira, N.Y., showed nurse visits to families of newborns reduced child abuse and neglect, even years later. They also reduced government spending for low-income unmarried women.

Brown, the lawyer, says he’s concerned families have no protection from social workers. He’s concerned workers won’t be well-trained and will overstep families’ rights.

Nobody should knock on your door without a badge, he said.

"What I see in this is a monster, frankly. And you can quote me on that," he said.

That’s the fear.

The law, however, specifies that programs be voluntary, their staffs trained and supervised, and thehome-visiting models they follow based on strong research.

Any "forced home inspection" wouldn’t be under the law — it would be in direct opposition to it.

And if a family welcomed help but later decided it made them uncomfortable?

Samantha Miller, a spokeswoman for the U.S. agency administering the program, said families could stop accepting services "without consequence at any time and for any reason."

Our ruling

Bloggers passed around a claim last week that a provision of the new health care law will allow "forced" home inspections by government agents.

But the program they pointed to provides grants for voluntary help to at-risk families from trained staff like nurses and social workers.

What bloggers describe would be an egregious abuse of the law — not what’s allowed by it. We rate the claim Pants on Fire.


romacox
by Silver Member on Aug. 24, 2013 at 6:41 AM

You make an important point.celticdragon77, both parties are guilty of laws that harm families. No child left behind under Bush, and Common Core under Obama. 

A 16 year old was harmed by the Patriot Act. It has been reported that the law was not intended for this purpose, but nonetheless it happens. Over the years I have seen many laws  cause harm to families, simply because one size does not fit all. 





Quoting celticdragon77:

Obama politics / anti homeschooling seem to come up a lot with Republican homeschoolers. I am of neither party line so I could give a damn other than as a homeschooler the misinformation gets to be a bit much.

So far none of Obama's politics influence me as a homeschooler. You know what DOES? Bush's "No Child Left Behind Act". I have to allow state testing on my children because of that. My state is Democratic state though... and I have some of the strictest homeschool laws. So it runs sour both ways.


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