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Teacher Tells 10-Year-Old God Is Not an Acceptable 'Idol'

*Public School article posted for discussion*

Teacher Tells 10-Year-Old God Is Not an Acceptable 'Idol' (VIDEO)

by Mary Fischer 

elementary school

Ugh. Can someone please explain to me what the heck this world is coming to? Because after hearing that a 10-year-old girl was not allowed to choose God as her idol to write about for a school assignment, I really don't know whether to scream or cry.

Mom Erica Shead explains how her daughter, Erin, came home from school on Wednesday upset. When she drew a diagram in class with the words, "I look up to God," in the middle of it -- her teacher told her that God was not an acceptable idol, and that she'd have to start the assignment all over again.

The poor kid wound up choosing Michael Jackson (basically going from one extreme to the other) as an alternative.

Erin told her mother she wanted to write about God because "God created the earth" and added that she's "doing the best she can."

And as you can imagine, Erica is absolutely irate over the teacher's decision, as she should be.

Take a look at this video clip to hear more about what happened.

 Video here

That poor child. This makes me absolutely sick to my stomach. Who the hell is that teacher to tell a child who she can and cannot look up to? By telling her to choose someone else, and by not even allowing her to keep the original assignment at school (you know, because it's SO offensive), she's basically teaching her that her faith doesn't matter and isn't worth believing in. And that's just sad, wrong, disgusting, ridiculous, and well ... really shitty, if you ask me.

What would've been the harm in letting her write about God? It's not like she was preaching to the class or anything. She was simply following the instructions she was given to complete her school work -- and she basically got punished for it. Yes, it is a punishment to take a child's beautiful, creative idea and classify it as wrong, when it clearly isn't.

Oh, and another thing, I'd be appalled about this incident no matter where in the country it happened. But in Millington, Tennessee -- right outside of Memphis?!? If kids can't express their love for God in the Bible belt, it certainly doesn't offer much hope to the rest of the U.S.

I don't blame Erica one bit for going straight to the principal. I would've done the same thing in her shoes, because the way her daughter was treated is unacceptable. Schools should be a place where children are encouraged to stand up for what they believe instead of hiding from it.

That teacher should be ashamed of herself. All I can say is thank GOD my kid isn't in her class.

Do you think Erin should have been allowed to write about her true idol?

by on Sep. 13, 2013 at 3:13 PM
Replies (31-40):
Pastalove
by on Sep. 15, 2013 at 11:00 AM
1 mom liked this

I'm not saying this isn't sad but public school these days are being put in a difficult position.  They are forced to keep religion out of school because of the diversity within the schools.  They allow one child to write about God then they have to deal with other children complaining to their parents and then they have other angry parents to deal with that think it's wrong.  If they allow another child to write about Allah or  that there is no God then the other parents will complain.  I'm a prek teacher in a public school and we don't "touch" religious topics or holidays due to angry parents and different beliefs.  I even have to tip toe around Halloween!  It's very sad!  But don't bash the teacher or the schools...Bash the narrow minded people in the world that won't embrace diversity and respect it.  

lucsch
by on Sep. 15, 2013 at 11:21 AM
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I assume you don't live in the same country as us? Our country was founded upon religious freedom, and that does NOT mean freedom FROM exposure to religion in daily life. Our government cannot specify a state religion. That is all that means. Since public schools are ran by the government, it does mean that a neutral ground must be upheld by the people who run them. However, if a student wants to share his religion, he should be free to do so under the rights set forth by the Constitution. It is a shame that the religious beliefs of Atheists are being forced upon are children in public school. They call it "science" and are getting away with it. Yet, they throw around the word "intolerance " like it is some magic wand to negate religious beliefs. I apologize if this offends anyone, but Athiests are the most truly intolerant people, as a whole. They want to eliminate the religious beliefs of others. That is not tolerance!

Quoting Mandallyn:

LMAO!  You wrote me a book!

1) Our country was NOT founded on religious freedom.  A small percentange came here for religious freedom, the majority came for land owner ship and the chance to escape serfdom.

2) I can't believe you think I don't teach my kids about religion.  Of course i do, that way they know what to watch out for when someone speaks intolerance.  Any relgion that says one will burn for eternity if they THINK the wrong thing is one I want to keep my kids from falling for.  Any religion that bases a person's sex on their status is one I want to keep my kids from falling for.  Any religion that demands I chop a piece of my kids' anatomy off is one I want to educate my kids on so they know better.

3) The Christmas tree is not a religious symbol.  Nor is the menorah a religious symbol.  They are cultural.  


Quoting Maridel:

Yes Aphrodite should have been just as acceptable, God, Jesus, Allah, just as any Pagan diety for a Pagan child should be acceptable too. 

Religious beliefs should not be TAUGHT in public school! Yes I would be outraged if my child came home from school saying the teacher told her God doesn't exist and that some other god was the only real god. That is not a teacher's place. But what children learn from each other is completely different. Religion will be in public school because it is a part of who that child is! Chirstianity is a part of a Christian child and it will be with them everywhere they go! And when you send your child into the world they are going to be exposed to all different religious beliefs. You can't shield them from that. Not even as homeschoolers can we shield our children from the world. My child comes home telling me the neighbor kid is Muslim and believes differently than we do, I'm not going to jump up and down and have a fit and tell this kid's mother they can't talk about such things. I'm going to take the opportunity to keep communication open with my child and teach her that not everyone believes the same as we do, and that's okay. That's how you teach tolerance and accepting people for who they are.

What gets me most about the article is how Christians are constantly being accused of being intolerant. But other religions and atheists are just as intolerant of Christians. It seems they think religious freedom in our country means they don't have to hear about religion EVER. That's not what this country was founded on! Religious freedom in our country means we are welcome to believe what we want and be able to worship FREELY and OPENLY. The settlers came from other countries where they were having to worship in secret for fear of being persecuted. Now non-Christians in this country are asking us to "keep it to ourselves". What now we have to go back and worship in secret?? Teach our kids are religion is something to be ashamed of and can't be talked about when they are out in public?! That's not religious freedom!!  The same way we can't tell a Muslim not to wear their Hijab because our kids would ask too many questions. Or Jewish child be told she can't draw a picture of a menorah around Christmas time if the school assignment was to draw what they will be doing during the holidays. That's just intolerance!


Quoting Mandallyn:

I don't understand how I'm forcing my ideal on anyone.

Yes, children should look up to humans that made a difference, whether its volunteer work at a local animal shelter, or someone who helped propel change across a nation.  If it had been a paper about how her idol was Aphrodite would that be acceptable?  

Religios belief does not belong in public school.  Period.  There are far too many other religions for one to be acceptable, and not all others.   I'm not against teaching about various religions and the cultures that surround them, merely the belief that any religious faith belongs in public school.


Quoting AutymsMommy:


I don't understand this at all.

You're forcing your ideal that a child SHOULD look up to someone who has made a great impact on society. What if Susie looks up to her mother? Still not acceptable? I mean, mom will never move mountains.

The paper wouldn't require grading on "religious beliefs" - assuming she wrote the assignment as per the instructions, the teacher would be grading the writing, not the content necessarily.

Quoting Mandallyn:

I don't think that's appropriate for school. I would be outraged if my son came home saying he'd learned about god in public school. I do think children should be pushed to learn more about human rights activists who have managed to make great change in their societies, no matter if that person is a religious figurehead or not. It's people who make change in our physical world, the spiritual should be something left for parents to teach at home. Even if only the teacher was reading it, I still believe it's not appropriate for a public school.  Asking a teacher to grade an essay on a student's religous beliefs irks me deeply. The child's faith only matters to her personally. Her faith will not make the world bend to accommodate her.









Mandallyn
by Member on Sep. 15, 2013 at 11:39 AM

I'm sorry you are incorrect.  The USA was not founded on religious freedom.  That is nationalist propaganda.  Have an awesome propagandistic day.

I assume you won't watch this, but here it is if you actually care to understand why Atheists are now speaking out.

Quoting lucsch:

 

I assume you don't live in the same country as us? Our country was founded upon religious freedom, and that does NOT mean freedom FROM exposure to religion in daily life. Our government cannot specify a state religion. That is all that means. Since public schools are ran by the government, it does mean that a neutral ground must be upheld by the people who run them. However, if a student wants to share his religion, he should be free to do so under the rights set forth by the Constitution. It is a shame that the religious beliefs of Atheists are being forced upon are children in public school. They call it "science" and are getting away with it. Yet, they throw around the word "intolerance " like it is some magic wand to negate religious beliefs. I apologize if this offends anyone, but Athiests are the most truly intolerant people, as a whole. They want to eliminate the religious beliefs of others. That is not tolerance!

Quoting Mandallyn:

LMAO!  You wrote me a book!

1) Our country was NOT founded on religious freedom.  A small percentange came here for religious freedom, the majority came for land owner ship and the chance to escape serfdom.

2) I can't believe you think I don't teach my kids about religion.  Of course i do, that way they know what to watch out for when someone speaks intolerance.  Any relgion that says one will burn for eternity if they THINK the wrong thing is one I want to keep my kids from falling for.  Any religion that bases a person's sex on their status is one I want to keep my kids from falling for.  Any religion that demands I chop a piece of my kids' anatomy off is one I want to educate my kids on so they know better.

3) The Christmas tree is not a religious symbol.  Nor is the menorah a religious symbol.  They are cultural.  

 

Quoting Maridel:

Yes Aphrodite should have been just as acceptable, God, Jesus, Allah, just as any Pagan diety for a Pagan child should be acceptable too. 

Religious beliefs should not be TAUGHT in public school! Yes I would be outraged if my child came home from school saying the teachertold her God doesn't exist and that some other god was the only real god. That is not a teacher's place. But what children learn from each other is completely different. Religion will be in public school because it is a part of who that child is! Chirstianity is a part of a Christian child and it will be with them everywhere they go! And when you send your child into the world they are going to be exposed to all different religious beliefs. You can't shield them from that. Not even as homeschoolers can we shield our children from the world. My child comes home telling me the neighbor kid is Muslim and believes differently than we do, I'm not going to jump up and down and have a fit and tell this kid's mother they can't talk about such things. I'm going to take the opportunity to keep communication open with my child and teach her that not everyone believes the same as we do, and that's okay. That's how you teach tolerance and accepting people for who they are.

What gets me most about the article is how Christians are constantly being accused of being intolerant. But other religions and atheists are just as intolerant of Christians. It seems they think religious freedom in our country means they don't have to hear about religion EVER. That's not what this country was founded on! Religious freedom in our country means we are welcome to believe what we want and be able to worship FREELY and OPENLY. The settlers came from other countries where they were having to worship in secret for fear of being persecuted. Now non-Christians in this country are asking us to "keep it to ourselves". What now we have to go back and worship in secret?? Teach our kids are religion is something to be ashamed of and can't be talked about when they are out in public?! That's not religious freedom!!  The same way we can't tell a Muslim not to wear their Hijab because our kids would ask too many questions. Or Jewish child be told she can't draw a picture of a menorah around Christmas time if the school assignment was to draw what they will be doing during the holidays. That's just intolerance!

 

Quoting Mandallyn:

I don't understand how I'm forcing my ideal on anyone.

Yes, children should look up to humans that made a difference, whether its volunteer work at a local animal shelter, or someone who helped propel change across a nation.  If it had been a paper about how her idol was Aphrodite would that be acceptable?  

Religios belief does not belong in public school.  Period.  There are far too many other religions for one to be acceptable, and not all others.   I'm not against teaching about various religions and the cultures that surround them, merely the belief that any religious faith belongs in public school.

 

Quoting AutymsMommy:

 

I don't understand this at all.

You're forcing your ideal that a child SHOULD look up to someone who has made a great impact on society. What if Susie looks up to her mother? Still not acceptable? I mean, mom will never move mountains.

The paper wouldn't require grading on "religious beliefs" - assuming she wrote the assignment as per the instructions, the teacher would be grading the writing, not the content necessarily.

Quoting Mandallyn:

I don't think that's appropriate for school. I would be outraged if my son came home saying he'd learned about god in public school. I do think children should be pushed to learn more about human rights activists who have managed to make great change in their societies, no matter if that person is a religious figurehead or not. It's people who make change in our physical world, the spiritual should be something left for parents to teach at home. Even if only the teacher was reading it, I still believe it's not appropriate for a public school.  Asking a teacher to grade an essay on a student's religous beliefs irks me deeply. The child's faith only matters to her personally. Her faith will not make the world bend to accommodate her.

 

 


 

 


 

 


redhead-bedhead
by Bronze Member on Sep. 15, 2013 at 12:41 PM
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They don't want to eliminate religious beliefs, they just don't want only one set of religious beliefs being taught. 

I would love to hear the teacher's side of this.

Quoting lucsch:


I assume you don't live in the same country as us? Our country was founded upon religious freedom, and that does NOT mean freedom FROM exposure to religion in daily life. Our government cannot specify a state religion. That is all that means. Since public schools are ran by the government, it does mean that a neutral ground must be upheld by the people who run them. However, if a student wants to share his religion, he should be free to do so under the rights set forth by the Constitution. It is a shame that the religious beliefs of Atheists are being forced upon are children in public school. They call it "science" and are getting away with it. Yet, they throw around the word "intolerance " like it is some magic wand to negate religious beliefs. I apologize if this offends anyone, but Athiests are the most truly intolerant people, as a whole. They want to eliminate the religious beliefs of others. That is not tolerance!

Quoting Mandallyn:

LMAO!  You wrote me a book!

1) Our country was NOT founded on religious freedom.  A small percentange came here for religious freedom, the majority came for land owner ship and the chance to escape serfdom.

2) I can't believe you think I don't teach my kids about religion.  Of course i do, that way they know what to watch out for when someone speaks intolerance.  Any relgion that says one will burn for eternity if they THINK the wrong thing is one I want to keep my kids from falling for.  Any religion that bases a person's sex on their status is one I want to keep my kids from falling for.  Any religion that demands I chop a piece of my kids' anatomy off is one I want to educate my kids on so they know better.

3) The Christmas tree is not a religious symbol.  Nor is the menorah a religious symbol.  They are cultural.  


Quoting Maridel:

Yes Aphrodite should have been just as acceptable, God, Jesus, Allah, just as any Pagan diety for a Pagan child should be acceptable too. 

Religious beliefs should not be TAUGHT in public school! Yes I would be outraged if my child came home from school saying the teacher told her God doesn't exist and that some other god was the only real god. That is not a teacher's place. But what children learn from each other is completely different. Religion will be in public school because it is a part of who that child is! Chirstianity is a part of a Christian child and it will be with them everywhere they go! And when you send your child into the world they are going to be exposed to all different religious beliefs. You can't shield them from that. Not even as homeschoolers can we shield our children from the world. My child comes home telling me the neighbor kid is Muslim and believes differently than we do, I'm not going to jump up and down and have a fit and tell this kid's mother they can't talk about such things. I'm going to take the opportunity to keep communication open with my child and teach her that not everyone believes the same as we do, and that's okay. That's how you teach tolerance and accepting people for who they are.

What gets me most about the article is how Christians are constantly being accused of being intolerant. But other religions and atheists are just as intolerant of Christians. It seems they think religious freedom in our country means they don't have to hear about religion EVER. That's not what this country was founded on! Religious freedom in our country means we are welcome to believe what we want and be able to worship FREELY and OPENLY. The settlers came from other countries where they were having to worship in secret for fear of being persecuted. Now non-Christians in this country are asking us to "keep it to ourselves". What now we have to go back and worship in secret?? Teach our kids are religion is something to be ashamed of and can't be talked about when they are out in public?! That's not religious freedom!!  The same way we can't tell a Muslim not to wear their Hijab because our kids would ask too many questions. Or Jewish child be told she can't draw a picture of a menorah around Christmas time if the school assignment was to draw what they will be doing during the holidays. That's just intolerance!


Quoting Mandallyn:

I don't understand how I'm forcing my ideal on anyone.

Yes, children should look up to humans that made a difference, whether its volunteer work at a local animal shelter, or someone who helped propel change across a nation.  If it had been a paper about how her idol was Aphrodite would that be acceptable?  

Religios belief does not belong in public school.  Period.  There are far too many other religions for one to be acceptable, and not all others.   I'm not against teaching about various religions and the cultures that surround them, merely the belief that any religious faith belongs in public school.


Quoting AutymsMommy:


I don't understand this at all.

You're forcing your ideal that a child SHOULD look up to someone who has made a great impact on society. What if Susie looks up to her mother? Still not acceptable? I mean, mom will never move mountains.

The paper wouldn't require grading on "religious beliefs" - assuming she wrote the assignment as per the instructions, the teacher would be grading the writing, not the content necessarily.

Quoting Mandallyn:

I don't think that's appropriate for school. I would be outraged if my son came home saying he'd learned about god in public school. I do think children should be pushed to learn more about human rights activists who have managed to make great change in their societies, no matter if that person is a religious figurehead or not. It's people who make change in our physical world, the spiritual should be something left for parents to teach at home. Even if only the teacher was reading it, I still believe it's not appropriate for a public school.  Asking a teacher to grade an essay on a student's religous beliefs irks me deeply. The child's faith only matters to her personally. Her faith will not make the world bend to accommodate her.










tuffymama
by Bronze Member on Sep. 15, 2013 at 12:57 PM
1 mom liked this
Rude, and a sadly typical attitude. The truth is, Atheism IS a religion, with all the incumbent trappings of religion and dogma. Never ONCE did I hear a teacher, student, or parent disparage atheists in the course of my public school career (the lot were too steeped in PC to strike, regretfully), but many times, atheists picketed, organized, and even bullied Christian students and teachers ON PUBLIC SCHOOL GROUNDS during those same years, and I both witnessed and endured this vile behavior. I see that spirit is still alive and well here.
Quoting Mandallyn:

I'm sorry you are incorrect.  The USA was not founded on religious freedom.  That is nationalist propaganda.  Have an awesome propagandistic day.


I assume you won't watch this, but here it is if you actually care to understand why Atheists are now speaking out.



Quoting lucsch:

 


I assume you don't live in the same country as us? Our country was founded upon religious freedom, and that does NOT mean freedom FROM exposure to religion in daily life. Our government cannot specify a state religion. That is all that means. Since public schools are ran by the government, it does mean that a neutral ground must be upheld by the people who run them. However, if a student wants to share his religion, he should be free to do so under the rights set forth by the Constitution. It is a shame that the religious beliefs of Atheists are being forced upon are children in public school. They call it "science" and are getting away with it. Yet, they throw around the word "intolerance " like it is some magic wand to negate religious beliefs. I apologize if this offends anyone, but Athiests are the most truly intolerant people, as a whole. They want to eliminate the religious beliefs of others. That is not tolerance!


Quoting Mandallyn:

LMAO!  You wrote me a book!


1) Our country was NOT founded on religious freedom.  A small percentange came here for religious freedom, the majority came for land owner ship and the chance to escape serfdom.


2) I can't believe you think I don't teach my kids about religion.  Of course i do, that way they know what to watch out for when someone speaks intolerance.  Any relgion that says one will burn for eternity if they THINK the wrong thing is one I want to keep my kids from falling for.  Any religion that bases a person's sex on their status is one I want to keep my kids from falling for.  Any religion that demands I chop a piece of my kids' anatomy off is one I want to educate my kids on so they know better.


3) The Christmas tree is not a religious symbol.  Nor is the menorah a religious symbol.  They are cultural.  


 


Quoting Maridel:

Yes Aphrodite should have been just as acceptable, God, Jesus, Allah, just as any Pagan diety for a Pagan child should be acceptable too. 


Religious beliefs should not be TAUGHT in public school! Yes I would be outraged if my child came home from school saying the teachertold her God doesn't exist and that some other god was the only real god. That is not a teacher's place. But what children learn from each other is completely different. Religion will be in public school because it is a part of who that child is! Chirstianity is a part of a Christian child and it will be with them everywhere they go! And when you send your child into the world they are going to be exposed to all different religious beliefs. You can't shield them from that. Not even as homeschoolers can we shield our children from the world. My child comes home telling me the neighbor kid is Muslim and believes differently than we do, I'm not going to jump up and down and have a fit and tell this kid's mother they can't talk about such things. I'm going to take the opportunity to keep communication open with my child and teach her that not everyone believes the same as we do, and that's okay. That's how you teach tolerance and accepting people for who they are.


What gets me most about the article is how Christians are constantly being accused of being intolerant. But other religions and atheists are just as intolerant of Christians. It seems they think religious freedom in our country means they don't have to hear about religion EVER. That's not what this country was founded on! Religious freedom in our country means we are welcome to believe what we want and be able to worship FREELY and OPENLY. The settlers came from other countries where they were having to worship in secret for fear of being persecuted. Now non-Christians in this country are asking us to "keep it to ourselves". What now we have to go back and worship in secret?? Teach our kids are religion is something to be ashamed of and can't be talked about when they are out in public?! That's not religious freedom!!  The same way we can't tell a Muslim not to wear their Hijab because our kids would ask too many questions. Or Jewish child be told she can't draw a picture of a menorah around Christmas time if the school assignment was to draw what they will be doing during the holidays. That's just intolerance!


 


Quoting Mandallyn:

I don't understand how I'm forcing my ideal on anyone.


Yes, children should look up to humans that made a difference, whether its volunteer work at a local animal shelter, or someone who helped propel change across a nation.  If it had been a paper about how her idol was Aphrodite would that be acceptable?  


Religios belief does not belong in public school.  Period.  There are far too many other religions for one to be acceptable, and not all others.   I'm not against teaching about various religions and the cultures that surround them, merely the belief that any religious faith belongs in public school.


 


Quoting AutymsMommy:

 


I don't understand this at all.


You're forcing your ideal that a child SHOULD look up to someone who has made a great impact on society. What if Susie looks up to her mother? Still not acceptable? I mean, mom will never move mountains.


The paper wouldn't require grading on "religious beliefs" - assuming she wrote the assignment as per the instructions, the teacher would be grading the writing, not the content necessarily.


Quoting Mandallyn:

I don't think that's appropriate for school. I would be outraged if my son came home saying he'd learned about god in public school. I do think children should be pushed to learn more about human rights activists who have managed to make great change in their societies, no matter if that person is a religious figurehead or not. It's people who make change in our physical world, the spiritual should be something left for parents to teach at home. Even if only the teacher was reading it, I still believe it's not appropriate for a public school.  Asking a teacher to grade an essay on a student's religous beliefs irks me deeply. The child's faith only matters to her personally. Her faith will not make the world bend to accommodate her.



 


 





 


 





 


 




Mandallyn
by Member on Sep. 15, 2013 at 3:59 PM
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Say what you like.  Your Christian history precedes you.  

Atheism is a religion like 'off' is a tv channel.

I'm done with all you women.  Your lack of knowledge about your own country is sad, and your lack of knowledge on history and the violence found in your own religion.  Have a super awesome time telling your kids they need to be good or they'll go to hell.

Quoting tuffymama:

Rude, and a sadly typical attitude. The truth is, Atheism IS a religion, with all the incumbent trappings of religion and dogma. Never ONCE did I hear a teacher, student, or parent disparage atheists in the course of my public school career (the lot were too steeped in PC to strike, regretfully), but many times, atheists picketed, organized, and even bullied Christian students and teachers ON PUBLIC SCHOOL GROUNDS during those same years, and I both witnessed and endured this vile behavior. I see that spirit is still alive and well here.
Quoting Mandallyn:

I'm sorry you are incorrect.  The USA was not founded on religious freedom.  That is nationalist propaganda.  Have an awesome propagandistic day.


I assume you won't watch this, but here it is if you actually care to understand why Atheists are now speaking out.



Quoting lucsch:



I assume you don't live in the same country as us? Our country was founded upon religious freedom, and that does NOT mean freedom FROM exposure to religion in daily life. Our government cannot specify a state religion. That is all that means. Since public schools are ran by the government, it does mean that a neutral ground must be upheld by the people who run them. However, if a student wants to share his religion, he should be free to do so under the rights set forth by the Constitution. It is a shame that the religious beliefs of Atheists are being forced upon are children in public school. They call it "science" and are getting away with it. Yet, they throw around the word "intolerance " like it is some magic wand to negate religious beliefs. I apologize if this offends anyone, but Athiests are the most truly intolerant people, as a whole. They want to eliminate the religious beliefs of others. That is not tolerance!


Quoting Mandallyn:

LMAO!  You wrote me a book!


1) Our country was NOT founded on religious freedom.  A small percentange came here for religious freedom, the majority came for land owner ship and the chance to escape serfdom.


2) I can't believe you think I don't teach my kids about religion.  Of course i do, that way they know what to watch out for when someone speaks intolerance.  Any relgion that says one will burn for eternity if they THINK the wrong thing is one I want to keep my kids from falling for.  Any religion that bases a person's sex on their status is one I want to keep my kids from falling for.  Any religion that demands I chop a piece of my kids' anatomy off is one I want to educate my kids on so they know better.


3) The Christmas tree is not a religious symbol.  Nor is the menorah a religious symbol.  They are cultural.  




Quoting Maridel:

Yes Aphrodite should have been just as acceptable, God, Jesus, Allah, just as any Pagan diety for a Pagan child should be acceptable too. 


Religious beliefs should not be TAUGHT in public school! Yes I would be outraged if my child came home from school saying the teachertold her God doesn't exist and that some other god was the only real god. That is not a teacher's place. But what children learn from each other is completely different. Religion will be in public school because it is a part of who that child is! Chirstianity is a part of a Christian child and it will be with them everywhere they go! And when you send your child into the world they are going to be exposed to all different religious beliefs. You can't shield them from that. Not even as homeschoolers can we shield our children from the world. My child comes home telling me the neighbor kid is Muslim and believes differently than we do, I'm not going to jump up and down and have a fit and tell this kid's mother they can't talk about such things. I'm going to take the opportunity to keep communication open with my child and teach her that not everyone believes the same as we do, and that's okay. That's how you teach tolerance and accepting people for who they are.


What gets me most about the article is how Christians are constantly being accused of being intolerant. But other religions and atheists are just as intolerant of Christians. It seems they think religious freedom in our country means they don't have to hear about religion EVER. That's not what this country was founded on! Religious freedom in our country means we are welcome to believe what we want and be able to worship FREELY and OPENLY. The settlers came from other countries where they were having to worship in secret for fear of being persecuted. Now non-Christians in this country are asking us to "keep it to ourselves". What now we have to go back and worship in secret?? Teach our kids are religion is something to be ashamed of and can't be talked about when they are out in public?! That's not religious freedom!!  The same way we can't tell a Muslim not to wear their Hijab because our kids would ask too many questions. Or Jewish child be told she can't draw a picture of a menorah around Christmas time if the school assignment was to draw what they will be doing during the holidays. That's just intolerance!




Quoting Mandallyn:

I don't understand how I'm forcing my ideal on anyone.


Yes, children should look up to humans that made a difference, whether its volunteer work at a local animal shelter, or someone who helped propel change across a nation.  If it had been a paper about how her idol was Aphrodite would that be acceptable?  


Religios belief does not belong in public school.  Period.  There are far too many other religions for one to be acceptable, and not all others.   I'm not against teaching about various religions and the cultures that surround them, merely the belief that any religious faith belongs in public school.




Quoting AutymsMommy:



I don't understand this at all.


You're forcing your ideal that a child SHOULD look up to someone who has made a great impact on society. What if Susie looks up to her mother? Still not acceptable? I mean, mom will never move mountains.


The paper wouldn't require grading on "religious beliefs" - assuming she wrote the assignment as per the instructions, the teacher would be grading the writing, not the content necessarily.


Quoting Mandallyn:

I don't think that's appropriate for school. I would be outraged if my son came home saying he'd learned about god in public school. I do think children should be pushed to learn more about human rights activists who have managed to make great change in their societies, no matter if that person is a religious figurehead or not. It's people who make change in our physical world, the spiritual should be something left for parents to teach at home. Even if only the teacher was reading it, I still believe it's not appropriate for a public school.  Asking a teacher to grade an essay on a student's religous beliefs irks me deeply. The child's faith only matters to her personally. Her faith will not make the world bend to accommodate her.
























redhead-bedhead
by Bronze Member on Sep. 15, 2013 at 7:40 PM
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And I was bullied by Christian teachers and students because I am Pagan and wear a pentacle. 

All religions have been bullied and that is why schools need to be secular. 

 Mandallyn just stated her opinion and then people jumped on her, I find that rude.

Quoting tuffymama:

Rude, and a sadly typical attitude. The truth is, Atheism IS a religion, with all the incumbent trappings of religion and dogma. Never ONCE did I hear a teacher, student, or parent disparage atheists in the course of my public school career (the lot were too steeped in PC to strike, regretfully), but many times, atheists picketed, organized, and even bullied Christian students and teachers ON PUBLIC SCHOOL GROUNDS during those same years, and I both witnessed and endured this vile behavior. I see that spirit is still alive and well here.
Quoting Mandallyn:

I'm sorry you are incorrect.  The USA was not founded on religious freedom.  That is nationalist propaganda.  Have an awesome propagandistic day.


I assume you won't watch this, but here it is if you actually care to understand why Atheists are now speaking out.



Quoting lucsch:



I assume you don't live in the same country as us? Our country was founded upon religious freedom, and that does NOT mean freedom FROM exposure to religion in daily life. Our government cannot specify a state religion. That is all that means. Since public schools are ran by the government, it does mean that a neutral ground must be upheld by the people who run them. However, if a student wants to share his religion, he should be free to do so under the rights set forth by the Constitution. It is a shame that the religious beliefs of Atheists are being forced upon are children in public school. They call it "science" and are getting away with it. Yet, they throw around the word "intolerance " like it is some magic wand to negate religious beliefs. I apologize if this offends anyone, but Athiests are the most truly intolerant people, as a whole. They want to eliminate the religious beliefs of others. That is not tolerance!


Quoting Mandallyn:

LMAO!  You wrote me a book!


1) Our country was NOT founded on religious freedom.  A small percentange came here for religious freedom, the majority came for land owner ship and the chance to escape serfdom.


2) I can't believe you think I don't teach my kids about religion.  Of course i do, that way they know what to watch out for when someone speaks intolerance.  Any relgion that says one will burn for eternity if they THINK the wrong thing is one I want to keep my kids from falling for.  Any religion that bases a person's sex on their status is one I want to keep my kids from falling for.  Any religion that demands I chop a piece of my kids' anatomy off is one I want to educate my kids on so they know better.


3) The Christmas tree is not a religious symbol.  Nor is the menorah a religious symbol.  They are cultural.  




Quoting Maridel:

Yes Aphrodite should have been just as acceptable, God, Jesus, Allah, just as any Pagan diety for a Pagan child should be acceptable too. 


Religious beliefs should not be TAUGHT in public school! Yes I would be outraged if my child came home from school saying the teachertold her God doesn't exist and that some other god was the only real god. That is not a teacher's place. But what children learn from each other is completely different. Religion will be in public school because it is a part of who that child is! Chirstianity is a part of a Christian child and it will be with them everywhere they go! And when you send your child into the world they are going to be exposed to all different religious beliefs. You can't shield them from that. Not even as homeschoolers can we shield our children from the world. My child comes home telling me the neighbor kid is Muslim and believes differently than we do, I'm not going to jump up and down and have a fit and tell this kid's mother they can't talk about such things. I'm going to take the opportunity to keep communication open with my child and teach her that not everyone believes the same as we do, and that's okay. That's how you teach tolerance and accepting people for who they are.


What gets me most about the article is how Christians are constantly being accused of being intolerant. But other religions and atheists are just as intolerant of Christians. It seems they think religious freedom in our country means they don't have to hear about religion EVER. That's not what this country was founded on! Religious freedom in our country means we are welcome to believe what we want and be able to worship FREELY and OPENLY. The settlers came from other countries where they were having to worship in secret for fear of being persecuted. Now non-Christians in this country are asking us to "keep it to ourselves". What now we have to go back and worship in secret?? Teach our kids are religion is something to be ashamed of and can't be talked about when they are out in public?! That's not religious freedom!!  The same way we can't tell a Muslim not to wear their Hijab because our kids would ask too many questions. Or Jewish child be told she can't draw a picture of a menorah around Christmas time if the school assignment was to draw what they will be doing during the holidays. That's just intolerance!




Quoting Mandallyn:

I don't understand how I'm forcing my ideal on anyone.


Yes, children should look up to humans that made a difference, whether its volunteer work at a local animal shelter, or someone who helped propel change across a nation.  If it had been a paper about how her idol was Aphrodite would that be acceptable?  


Religios belief does not belong in public school.  Period.  There are far too many other religions for one to be acceptable, and not all others.   I'm not against teaching about various religions and the cultures that surround them, merely the belief that any religious faith belongs in public school.




Quoting AutymsMommy:



I don't understand this at all.


You're forcing your ideal that a child SHOULD look up to someone who has made a great impact on society. What if Susie looks up to her mother? Still not acceptable? I mean, mom will never move mountains.


The paper wouldn't require grading on "religious beliefs" - assuming she wrote the assignment as per the instructions, the teacher would be grading the writing, not the content necessarily.


Quoting Mandallyn:

I don't think that's appropriate for school. I would be outraged if my son came home saying he'd learned about god in public school. I do think children should be pushed to learn more about human rights activists who have managed to make great change in their societies, no matter if that person is a religious figurehead or not. It's people who make change in our physical world, the spiritual should be something left for parents to teach at home. Even if only the teacher was reading it, I still believe it's not appropriate for a public school.  Asking a teacher to grade an essay on a student's religous beliefs irks me deeply. The child's faith only matters to her personally. Her faith will not make the world bend to accommodate her.
























1CynfulDlite
by on Sep. 15, 2013 at 8:21 PM

I'd have whipped out our currency, the Constitution and a few other Documents of our founding fathers Oh and the pledge of allegiance and told her to tell that to those people!!!!! 

gummibear
by Member on Sep. 15, 2013 at 10:41 PM
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I am not trying to jump in this stupid fight but...

You might wanna research some more... the pledge didn't add "under god" until 1954 and In 1955 is when they made it mandatory to put "In God we trust" on our money. Our country was founded in 1776. God is not mentioned in the Constitution at all.


Quoting 1CynfulDlite:

I'd have whipped out our currency, the Constitution and a few other Documents of our founding fathers Oh and the pledge of allegiance and told her to tell that to those people!!!!! 


1CynfulDlite
by on Sep. 16, 2013 at 8:24 AM

Yes I know that 'God' hasn't been in our currency since the dawn of time nor in our pledge since the beginning but they are there now.  As a matter of fact a court of law just recently ruled to KEEP In God We Tust on our currency.  Hmmmm Imagine that.  I'd rather have my son put God as a role model then say Miley Cyrus or Lindsey Lohan.  This was a class assignment that wasn't being read to the class it was a project being done for the teacher to grade, she was the only one reading it so why make a big deal out of it.  Just because my kid believes in God doesn't mean I'm forcing your child to do the same. 

Quoting gummibear:

I am not trying to jump in this stupid fight but...

You might wanna research some more... the pledge didn't add "under god" until 1954 and In 1955 is when they made it mandatory to put "In God we trust" on our money. Our country was founded in 1776. God is not mentioned in the Constitution at all.

 

Quoting 1CynfulDlite:

I'd have whipped out our currency, the Constitution and a few other Documents of our founding fathers Oh and the pledge of allegiance and told her to tell that to those people!!!!! 

 

 

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