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Do you make lessons that will keep your child happy?  If they are unhappy with an assignment, will you change it?  For example, if a child hates worksheets, will you throw out the worksheets and figure out another method to teach the subject?  My 3rd grader hates everything school related.  I could easily teach everything in a "fun" way, but I feel like he needs to learn to do things he doesn't want to do too.  We all have times in life where we have to do things we don't want to do, but we do them anyway.  I ask this because he's actually in a private school, and is refusing to do worksheets, writing assignments, and occasionally reading.  Science, History and Art he loves.  I could easily bring him home to homeschool because my 7 year old is homeschooled, but I don't want to give him this idea that just because he doesn't "want" to do the work, then mommy will save you, homeschool you with only "fun" lessons, no more tough assignments....only what makes you happy.  Am I crazy to think that my kids should have to learn that they will have to do things they don't always want to do?  Do you make your kids do assignments even if they don't like it, refuse, get mad, throw a fit, take forever, etc?

by on Oct. 10, 2013 at 7:21 PM
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jen2150
by Silver Member on Oct. 13, 2013 at 4:29 PM
Child led learning actually take more parental guidance not less. It is about going over things when the time is right. I never skip anything. I just go back when the time is right. There is such a thing as too early. It is much more common to try things too early than too late. When my son was 3 he started to learn to write. He kept getting upset and frustrated so I knew it was too soon. so I waited 6 months and it was a completely different experience at a later time. Sure there are some things they enjoy more. I work with their interests and not against them. I never say we have to do this even though it is not fun. It sends the wrong message. I tell them if it isn't fun how can we make it fun. It gets their creativity going. I always love the ideas they come up with. We do a combination of my own studies, curriculum and reading living books. We also use k'nex education series a lot. My sons also come up with their own ideas and projects as well. I think history is best learned through living books. There are very few good history textbooks. I help create an atmosphere of interest before we study anything. Child led learning does not mean your kids never try things that are hard. We are taking karate together. It is very hard work. I am doing it with them. This year my son is learning how to play chess. He didn't want to try it. I told him to try for a month if he doesn't like he can always drop it. So we both agreed that he would give it a try. He loves it and enjoys learning how to play. Unschooled kids try new things all the time. I also lead by example. I am enthusiastic about what i am learning and read every day on all kinds of things. My kids are very curious and independent thinkers. My son even asked me to teach him to read when he was 5 years old. I simply created an environment that would make him want to learn. Unschooling is an very hands on and time consuming method. It is also a lot of fun.
Quoting TJandKarasMom:

I have to agree with AutymnsMommy...maybe kids will eventually get to a point they are interested and 'ready' for a topic, but then it could be awfully late. I am considering myself in comparison with AutymnsMommy's DD...I HATED history, had absolutely no interest...I went to ps and had many different types of teachers, and still was never interested. Now I look like a moron when I don't know much about it..I am now showing an interest and am wanting to skip ahead in our history to get to the parts I want to learn...but I'm 30. If I let my kids skip the stuff they aren't interested in, my DD wouldn't read a history book until she was 30, and would never know her math facts. And DS wouldn't have legible handwriting or have any idea who Van Gogh is.

I think there is a lot to be said for child led learning, but I still think they need suggestions and guidance from parents, otherwise they would just skip the hard stuff because who wants to do things that are too hard? But what will you learn if you never try?


Quoting jen2150:

So do I. I also trust that my children will be ready when the time is right. My boys are polar opposites. I also run a co-op and whenever I design a class I approach from many angles at once. I never teach anything I don't love. I develop a love for it first. Enthusiasm is contagious. This Year I designed a creative math class that uses k'nex, oragami and art to teach math.




Quoting AutymsMommy:

I recognize that my children are unique individuals with interests, likes, and dislikes all their own. *shrug*






Quoting jen2150:

Sorry I disagree. I am an eternal optimist. There is always a way. :-)








Quoting AutymsMommy:


Just because it is taught in a fun way, doesn't mean it's engaging to all children. My daughter didn't really give a lick about history, no matter how much time, energy, and money I spent trying to make it fun. She simply doesn't like history. She still needs to know it though. Same with writing for her - still important, but there is no "making it fun, making it engaging, etc" and forcing a child with no natural interest to enjoy it.





Quoting jen2150:

I also wanted to add that it is important to remember real learning happens when children are engaged. We are taught in school that there are things we hate but we still need to learn them. It is not true. I don't think there is anything that can't be taught in a fun way.












KickButtMama
by Shannon on Oct. 13, 2013 at 4:38 PM

I think it depends. There is a fine line between stubborn behavior, and one who doesn't learn in the manner you are teaching. My kids don't learn well with worksheets, so we don't do them. My kids love computer games, so I signed them up for time4learning - now they can't drag their feet since they asked for t in the first place..lol

TJandKarasMom
by Debbie on Oct. 13, 2013 at 4:44 PM
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I guess I just still think there are things in life no one enjoys doing, but they need to get done. So I feel if I am making every single thing fun for my kids, I am doing them a disservice overall. I don't see how cleaning the toilet could EVER be fun, but it needs to be done regularly, so I do it. Some things in life are just not fun. So if my DD is complaining about studying her math facts, I tell her that everyone has to do things they don't like to do sometimes, and then I also find math games and other ways to help her solidify the skill...but she doesn't get out of doing something just because it isn't fun for her.

I think unschooling can be awesome, I think kids learn a lot when they are interested and want to learn about something. But I also think things can get missed if they are not interested. My son learned to read at 4, basically on his own because he was interested, I do think most kids will show an interest in something like reading...but learning about ancient Egypt or how our country was founded? My son may have been interested on his own, but my daughter never would have...but there are some things she should know before college...whether they are fun things or not.

I think homeschooling should be fun in many ways, but I also thing kids need to learn independence and responsibility, so my kids have chores-no one enjoys the chores, but that's life..dishes and laundry will always need to be done, along with cleaning the bathroom and taking out the trash and tons of other mundane tasks. Making their whole life fun, IMO, would make their adulthood kind of suck.


Quoting jen2150:

Child led learning actually take more parental guidance not less. It is about going over things when the time is right. I never skip anything. I just go back when the time is right. There is such a thing as too early. It is much more common to try things too early than too late. When my son was 3 he started to learn to write. He kept getting upset and frustrated so I knew it was too soon. so I waited 6 months and it was a completely different experience at a later time. Sure there are some things they enjoy more. I work with their interests and not against them. I never say we have to do this even though it is not fun. It sends the wrong message. I tell them if it isn't fun how can we make it fun. It gets their creativity going. I always love the ideas they come up with.


We do a combination of my own studies, curriculum and reading living books. We also use k'nex education series a lot. My sons also come up with their own ideas and projects as well. I think history is best learned through living books. There are very few good history textbooks. I help create an atmosphere of interest before we study anything.

Child led learning does not mean your kids never try things that are hard. We are taking karate together. It is very hard work. I am doing it with them. This year my son is learning how to play chess. He didn't want to try it. I told him to try for a month if he doesn't like he can always drop it. So we both agreed that he would give it a try. He loves it and enjoys learning how to play. Unschooled kids try new things all the time. I also lead by example. I am enthusiastic about what i am learning and read every day on all kinds of things. My kids are very curious and independent thinkers. My son even asked me to teach him to read when he was 5 years old. I simply created an environment that would make him want to learn. Unschooling is an very hands on and time consuming method. It is also a lot of fun.



Quoting TJandKarasMom:

I have to agree with AutymnsMommy...maybe kids will eventually get to a point they are interested and 'ready' for a topic, but then it could be awfully late. I am considering myself in comparison with AutymnsMommy's DD...I HATED history, had absolutely no interest...I went to ps and had many different types of teachers, and still was never interested. Now I look like a moron when I don't know much about it..I am now showing an interest and am wanting to skip ahead in our history to get to the parts I want to learn...but I'm 30. If I let my kids skip the stuff they aren't interested in, my DD wouldn't read a history book until she was 30, and would never know her math facts. And DS wouldn't have legible handwriting or have any idea who Van Gogh is.



I think there is a lot to be said for child led learning, but I still think they need suggestions and guidance from parents, otherwise they would just skip the hard stuff because who wants to do things that are too hard? But what will you learn if you never try?





Quoting jen2150:

So do I. I also trust that my children will be ready when the time is right. My boys are polar opposites. I also run a co-op and whenever I design a class I approach from many angles at once. I never teach anything I don't love. I develop a love for it first. Enthusiasm is contagious. This Year I designed a creative math class that uses k'nex, oragami and art to teach math.







Quoting AutymsMommy:

I recognize that my children are unique individuals with interests, likes, and dislikes all their own. *shrug*









Quoting jen2150:

Sorry I disagree. I am an eternal optimist. There is always a way. :-)











Quoting AutymsMommy:


Just because it is taught in a fun way, doesn't mean it's engaging to all children. My daughter didn't really give a lick about history, no matter how much time, energy, and money I spent trying to make it fun. She simply doesn't like history. She still needs to know it though. Same with writing for her - still important, but there is no "making it fun, making it engaging, etc" and forcing a child with no natural interest to enjoy it.






Quoting jen2150:

I also wanted to add that it is important to remember real learning happens when children are engaged. We are taught in school that there are things we hate but we still need to learn them. It is not true. I don't think there is anything that can't be taught in a fun way.



















jen2150
by Silver Member on Oct. 13, 2013 at 6:36 PM
I agree there are things we don't enjoy. My sons have chores. We just do them together. We are a family so I talk to them about how families work together. They make their lunches, sometimes suppers, do their own laundry, clean their own bathroom, volunteer to help me, vacuum, help with our hobby farm. I just explain why we do things. I treat them with respect and never let treat me or others with disrespect. Learning should always be fun in my book. If something isn't fun for them then I change how we go about doing it. My sons know why cleaning the toilet is important so they do it. They don't want a stinky bathroom anymore than I do. Right now we are doing US history this year. I am making a 9 by 6 foot map of the US. We just finished Texas and it barely fit on one poster board. It is a lot of fun. We also just started reading the Caption's Dog. It is the story of Lewis and Clark told from the point of view of their dog. They are also listening to audio cd's on stories of our great country. My sons are in 4th and 6th grade and I have yet to hit something that can't be learned in a fun way. We have done world and US history pretty much every year. We have also done Chemistry and Physics at my sons request. Last year we had a blast studying the periodic table. I am also creating a class called Creative Math. We are learning geometry and math by using k'nex, origami and art projects. My kids even have fun learning their spelling words. This afternoon my 9 year old spent an hour writing his comic book. I had a hard time pulling him away so I could start supper. I started out traditional and hated it. My sons were losing their love of learning. They were just doing things to get them done. They were begging me to do more Math. I know this method is hard for some people to grasp but it works beautifully for so many kids. There is a lot of research that favors the unschooling method.
Quoting TJandKarasMom:

I guess I just still think there are things in life no one enjoys doing, but they need to get done. So I feel if I am making every single thing fun for my kids, I am doing them a disservice overall. I don't see how cleaning the toilet could EVER be fun, but it needs to be done regularly, so I do it. Some things in life are just not fun. So if my DD is complaining about studying her math facts, I tell her that everyone has to do things they don't like to do sometimes, and then I also find math games and other ways to help her solidify the skill...but she doesn't get out of doing something just because it isn't fun for her.

I think unschooling can be awesome, I think kids learn a lot when they are interested and want to learn about something. But I also think things can get missed if they are not interested. My son learned to read at 4, basically on his own because he was interested, I do think most kids will show an interest in something like reading...but learning about ancient Egypt or how our country was founded? My son may have been interested on his own, but my daughter never would have...but there are some things she should know before college...whether they are fun things or not.

I think homeschooling should be fun in many ways, but I also thing kids need to learn independence and responsibility, so my kids have chores-no one enjoys the chores, but that's life..dishes and laundry will always need to be done, along with cleaning the bathroom and taking out the trash and tons of other mundane tasks. Making their whole life fun, IMO, would make their adulthood kind of suck.


Quoting jen2150:

Child led learning actually take more parental guidance not less. It is about going over things when the time is right. I never skip anything. I just go back when the time is right. There is such a thing as too early. It is much more common to try things too early than too late. When my son was 3 he started to learn to write. He kept getting upset and frustrated so I knew it was too soon. so I waited 6 months and it was a completely different experience at a later time. Sure there are some things they enjoy more. I work with their interests and not against them. I never say we have to do this even though it is not fun. It sends the wrong message. I tell them if it isn't fun how can we make it fun. It gets their creativity going. I always love the ideas they come up with.


We do a combination of my own studies, curriculum and reading living books. We also use k'nex education series a lot. My sons also come up with their own ideas and projects as well. I think history is best learned through living books. There are very few good history textbooks. I help create an atmosphere of interest before we study anything.

Child led learning does not mean your kids never try things that are hard. We are taking karate together. It is very hard work. I am doing it with them. This year my son is learning how to play chess. He didn't want to try it. I told him to try for a month if he doesn't like he can always drop it. So we both agreed that he would give it a try. He loves it and enjoys learning how to play. Unschooled kids try new things all the time. I also lead by example. I am enthusiastic about what i am learning and read every day on all kinds of things. My kids are very curious and independent thinkers. My son even asked me to teach him to read when he was 5 years old. I simply created an environment that would make him want to learn. Unschooling is an very hands on and time consuming method. It is also a lot of fun.



Quoting TJandKarasMom:

I have to agree with AutymnsMommy...maybe kids will eventually get to a point they are interested and 'ready' for a topic, but then it could be awfully late. I am considering myself in comparison with AutymnsMommy's DD...I HATED history, had absolutely no interest...I went to ps and had many different types of teachers, and still was never interested. Now I look like a moron when I don't know much about it..I am now showing an interest and am wanting to skip ahead in our history to get to the parts I want to learn...but I'm 30. If I let my kids skip the stuff they aren't interested in, my DD wouldn't read a history book until she was 30, and would never know her math facts. And DS wouldn't have legible handwriting or have any idea who Van Gogh is.



I think there is a lot to be said for child led learning, but I still think they need suggestions and guidance from parents, otherwise they would just skip the hard stuff because who wants to do things that are too hard? But what will you learn if you never try?





Quoting jen2150:

So do I. I also trust that my children will be ready when the time is right. My boys are polar opposites. I also run a co-op and whenever I design a class I approach from many angles at once. I never teach anything I don't love. I develop a love for it first. Enthusiasm is contagious. This Year I designed a creative math class that uses k'nex, oragami and art to teach math.







Quoting AutymsMommy:

I recognize that my children are unique individuals with interests, likes, and dislikes all their own. *shrug*









Quoting jen2150:

Sorry I disagree. I am an eternal optimist. There is always a way. :-)











Quoting AutymsMommy:


Just because it is taught in a fun way, doesn't mean it's engaging to all children. My daughter didn't really give a lick about history, no matter how much time, energy, and money I spent trying to make it fun. She simply doesn't like history. She still needs to know it though. Same with writing for her - still important, but there is no "making it fun, making it engaging, etc" and forcing a child with no natural interest to enjoy it.






Quoting jen2150:

I also wanted to add that it is important to remember real learning happens when children are engaged. We are taught in school that there are things we hate but we still need to learn them. It is not true. I don't think there is anything that can't be taught in a fun way.




















AutymsMommy
by Silver Member on Oct. 13, 2013 at 6:42 PM


You're assuming my child would, 6 months later, be interested in a subject. It doesn't always work that way.

She wasn't interested in history when she was in brick and mortar, she wasn't interested years later when we started homeschooling, and she wasn't interested years into homeschooling.

I have never, ever been interested in math. Not in the least bit. Thank God I had teachers who made me learn math, regardless, otherwise I never would have learned it. The interest never bloomed for me.

Quoting jen2150:

Child led learning actually take more parental guidance not less. It is about going over things when the time is right. I never skip anything. I just go back when the time is right. There is such a thing as too early. It is much more common to try things too early than too late. When my son was 3 he started to learn to write. He kept getting upset and frustrated so I knew it was too soon. so I waited 6 months and it was a completely different experience at a later time. Sure there are some things they enjoy more. I work with their interests and not against them. I never say we have to do this even though it is not fun. It sends the wrong message. I tell them if it isn't fun how can we make it fun. It gets their creativity going. I always love the ideas they come up with. We do a combination of my own studies, curriculum and reading living books. We also use k'nex education series a lot. My sons also come up with their own ideas and projects as well. I think history is best learned through living books. There are very few good history textbooks. I help create an atmosphere of interest before we study anything. Child led learning does not mean your kids never try things that are hard. We are taking karate together. It is very hard work. I am doing it with them. This year my son is learning how to play chess. He didn't want to try it. I told him to try for a month if he doesn't like he can always drop it. So we both agreed that he would give it a try. He loves it and enjoys learning how to play. Unschooled kids try new things all the time. I also lead by example. I am enthusiastic about what i am learning and read every day on all kinds of things. My kids are very curious and independent thinkers. My son even asked me to teach him to read when he was 5 years old. I simply created an environment that would make him want to learn. Unschooling is an very hands on and time consuming method. It is also a lot of fun.
Quoting TJandKarasMom:

I have to agree with AutymnsMommy...maybe kids will eventually get to a point they are interested and 'ready' for a topic, but then it could be awfully late. I am considering myself in comparison with AutymnsMommy's DD...I HATED history, had absolutely no interest...I went to ps and had many different types of teachers, and still was never interested. Now I look like a moron when I don't know much about it..I am now showing an interest and am wanting to skip ahead in our history to get to the parts I want to learn...but I'm 30. If I let my kids skip the stuff they aren't interested in, my DD wouldn't read a history book until she was 30, and would never know her math facts. And DS wouldn't have legible handwriting or have any idea who Van Gogh is.

I think there is a lot to be said for child led learning, but I still think they need suggestions and guidance from parents, otherwise they would just skip the hard stuff because who wants to do things that are too hard? But what will you learn if you never try?


Quoting jen2150:

So do I. I also trust that my children will be ready when the time is right. My boys are polar opposites. I also run a co-op and whenever I design a class I approach from many angles at once. I never teach anything I don't love. I develop a love for it first. Enthusiasm is contagious. This Year I designed a creative math class that uses k'nex, oragami and art to teach math.




Quoting AutymsMommy:

I recognize that my children are unique individuals with interests, likes, and dislikes all their own. *shrug*






Quoting jen2150:

Sorry I disagree. I am an eternal optimist. There is always a way. :-)








Quoting AutymsMommy:


Just because it is taught in a fun way, doesn't mean it's engaging to all children. My daughter didn't really give a lick about history, no matter how much time, energy, and money I spent trying to make it fun. She simply doesn't like history. She still needs to know it though. Same with writing for her - still important, but there is no "making it fun, making it engaging, etc" and forcing a child with no natural interest to enjoy it.





Quoting jen2150:

I also wanted to add that it is important to remember real learning happens when children are engaged. We are taught in school that there are things we hate but we still need to learn them. It is not true. I don't think there is anything that can't be taught in a fun way.














I am a Home Schooling, Vaccinating, Non spanking, Nightmare Cuddling, Dessert Giving, Bedtime Kissing, Book Reading, Stay at Home Mom. I believe in the benefit of organized after school activities and nosy, involved parents. I believe in spoiling my children. I believe that I have seen the village and I do not want it anywhere near my children. Now for the controversial stuff:  we're Catholic, we're conservative, and we own guns (now there's no need to ask, lol).             Aimee















AutymsMommy
by Silver Member on Oct. 13, 2013 at 6:45 PM
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Piggy backing on the highlighted comment:

My children know why learning x undesirable subject is important, so they do it. They know why math, history, writing, etc is important, so they do it. Whether they like it or not.

I promise that understanding history (or any subject) is no less important than scrubbing a toilet. My children do not want stinky brains :)

Quoting jen2150:

I agree there are things we don't enjoy. My sons have chores. We just do them together. We are a family so I talk to them about how families work together. They make their lunches, sometimes suppers, do their own laundry, clean their own bathroom, volunteer to help me, vacuum, help with our hobby farm. I just explain why we do things. I treat them with respect and never let treat me or others with disrespect. Learning should always be fun in my book. If something isn't fun for them then I change how we go about doing it. My sons know why cleaning the toilet is important so they do it. They don't want a stinky bathroom anymore than I do. Right now we are doing US history this year. I am making a 9 by 6 foot map of the US. We just finished Texas and it barely fit on one poster board. It is a lot of fun. We also just started reading the Caption's Dog. It is the story of Lewis and Clark told from the point of view of their dog. They are also listening to audio cd's on stories of our great country. My sons are in 4th and 6th grade and I have yet to hit something that can't be learned in a fun way. We have done world and US history pretty much every year. We have also done Chemistry and Physics at my sons request. Last year we had a blast studying the periodic table. I am also creating a class called Creative Math. We are learning geometry and math by using k'nex, origami and art projects. My kids even have fun learning their spelling words. This afternoon my 9 year old spent an hour writing his comic book. I had a hard time pulling him away so I could start supper. I started out traditional and hated it. My sons were losing their love of learning. They were just doing things to get them done. They were begging me to do more Math. I know this method is hard for some people to grasp but it works beautifully for so many kids. There is a lot of research that favors the unschooling method.
Quoting TJandKarasMom:

I guess I just still think there are things in life no one enjoys doing, but they need to get done. So I feel if I am making every single thing fun for my kids, I am doing them a disservice overall. I don't see how cleaning the toilet could EVER be fun, but it needs to be done regularly, so I do it. Some things in life are just not fun. So if my DD is complaining about studying her math facts, I tell her that everyone has to do things they don't like to do sometimes, and then I also find math games and other ways to help her solidify the skill...but she doesn't get out of doing something just because it isn't fun for her.

I think unschooling can be awesome, I think kids learn a lot when they are interested and want to learn about something. But I also think things can get missed if they are not interested. My son learned to read at 4, basically on his own because he was interested, I do think most kids will show an interest in something like reading...but learning about ancient Egypt or how our country was founded? My son may have been interested on his own, but my daughter never would have...but there are some things she should know before college...whether they are fun things or not.

I think homeschooling should be fun in many ways, but I also thing kids need to learn independence and responsibility, so my kids have chores-no one enjoys the chores, but that's life..dishes and laundry will always need to be done, along with cleaning the bathroom and taking out the trash and tons of other mundane tasks. Making their whole life fun, IMO, would make their adulthood kind of suck.


Quoting jen2150:

Child led learning actually take more parental guidance not less. It is about going over things when the time is right. I never skip anything. I just go back when the time is right. There is such a thing as too early. It is much more common to try things too early than too late. When my son was 3 he started to learn to write. He kept getting upset and frustrated so I knew it was too soon. so I waited 6 months and it was a completely different experience at a later time. Sure there are some things they enjoy more. I work with their interests and not against them. I never say we have to do this even though it is not fun. It sends the wrong message. I tell them if it isn't fun how can we make it fun. It gets their creativity going. I always love the ideas they come up with.


We do a combination of my own studies, curriculum and reading living books. We also use k'nex education series a lot. My sons also come up with their own ideas and projects as well. I think history is best learned through living books. There are very few good history textbooks. I help create an atmosphere of interest before we study anything.

Child led learning does not mean your kids never try things that are hard. We are taking karate together. It is very hard work. I am doing it with them. This year my son is learning how to play chess. He didn't want to try it. I told him to try for a month if he doesn't like he can always drop it. So we both agreed that he would give it a try. He loves it and enjoys learning how to play. Unschooled kids try new things all the time. I also lead by example. I am enthusiastic about what i am learning and read every day on all kinds of things. My kids are very curious and independent thinkers. My son even asked me to teach him to read when he was 5 years old. I simply created an environment that would make him want to learn. Unschooling is an very hands on and time consuming method. It is also a lot of fun.



Quoting TJandKarasMom:

I have to agree with AutymnsMommy...maybe kids will eventually get to a point they are interested and 'ready' for a topic, but then it could be awfully late. I am considering myself in comparison with AutymnsMommy's DD...I HATED history, had absolutely no interest...I went to ps and had many different types of teachers, and still was never interested. Now I look like a moron when I don't know much about it..I am now showing an interest and am wanting to skip ahead in our history to get to the parts I want to learn...but I'm 30. If I let my kids skip the stuff they aren't interested in, my DD wouldn't read a history book until she was 30, and would never know her math facts. And DS wouldn't have legible handwriting or have any idea who Van Gogh is.



I think there is a lot to be said for child led learning, but I still think they need suggestions and guidance from parents, otherwise they would just skip the hard stuff because who wants to do things that are too hard? But what will you learn if you never try?





Quoting jen2150:

So do I. I also trust that my children will be ready when the time is right. My boys are polar opposites. I also run a co-op and whenever I design a class I approach from many angles at once. I never teach anything I don't love. I develop a love for it first. Enthusiasm is contagious. This Year I designed a creative math class that uses k'nex, oragami and art to teach math.







Quoting AutymsMommy:

I recognize that my children are unique individuals with interests, likes, and dislikes all their own. *shrug*









Quoting jen2150:

Sorry I disagree. I am an eternal optimist. There is always a way. :-)











Quoting AutymsMommy:


Just because it is taught in a fun way, doesn't mean it's engaging to all children. My daughter didn't really give a lick about history, no matter how much time, energy, and money I spent trying to make it fun. She simply doesn't like history. She still needs to know it though. Same with writing for her - still important, but there is no "making it fun, making it engaging, etc" and forcing a child with no natural interest to enjoy it.






Quoting jen2150:

I also wanted to add that it is important to remember real learning happens when children are engaged. We are taught in school that there are things we hate but we still need to learn them. It is not true. I don't think there is anything that can't be taught in a fun way.






















I am a Home Schooling, Vaccinating, Non spanking, Nightmare Cuddling, Dessert Giving, Bedtime Kissing, Book Reading, Stay at Home Mom. I believe in the benefit of organized after school activities and nosy, involved parents. I believe in spoiling my children. I believe that I have seen the village and I do not want it anywhere near my children. Now for the controversial stuff:  we're Catholic, we're conservative, and we own guns (now there's no need to ask, lol).             Aimee















paganbaby
by Silver Member on Oct. 13, 2013 at 8:48 PM

This, this and this!

Quoting jen2150:

I never make them do anything boring. It goes against everything I am trying to accomplish. My goals while homeschooling is helping them to love learning and reading books. I never allow my kids to be disrespectful or throw a tantrum. If they don't like something they simply ask respectfully to learn the same material differently. My son last week had a workbook page out of his dictionary workbook. Usually they have creative puzzles that he enjoys. One page was just filling in a letter that came after a certain letter. I have to admit it was pretty boring. I challenged him to come up with a way to make it more fun. We decided instead of writing the letter down he would draw a picture to stand for the correct letter. It was creative and fun. We even combined English and Art together. I say be flexible while homeschooling but don't ever let them be disrespectful. There are many things my kids are required to do. I don't think learning should ever be forced. Kids learn a whole lot more when they are having fun. There are fun ways to teach everything.


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paganbaby
by Silver Member on Oct. 13, 2013 at 8:53 PM

clappingI aspire to be like you!

Quoting jen2150:

I agree there are things we don't enjoy. My sons have chores. We just do them together. We are a family so I talk to them about how families work together. They make their lunches, sometimes suppers, do their own laundry, clean their own bathroom, volunteer to help me, vacuum, help with our hobby farm. I just explain why we do things. I treat them with respect and never let treat me or others with disrespect. Learning should always be fun in my book. If something isn't fun for them then I change how we go about doing it. My sons know why cleaning the toilet is important so they do it. They don't want a stinky bathroom anymore than I do. Right now we are doing US history this year. I am making a 9 by 6 foot map of the US. We just finished Texas and it barely fit on one poster board. It is a lot of fun. We also just started reading the Caption's Dog. It is the story of Lewis and Clark told from the point of view of their dog. They are also listening to audio cd's on stories of our great country. My sons are in 4th and 6th grade and I have yet to hit something that can't be learned in a fun way. We have done world and US history pretty much every year. We have also done Chemistry and Physics at my sons request. Last year we had a blast studying the periodic table. I am also creating a class called Creative Math. We are learning geometry and math by using k'nex, origami and art projects. My kids even have fun learning their spelling words. This afternoon my 9 year old spent an hour writing his comic book. I had a hard time pulling him away so I could start supper. I started out traditional and hated it. My sons were losing their love of learning. They were just doing things to get them done. They were begging me to do more Math. I know this method is hard for some people to grasp but it works beautifully for so many kids. There is a lot of research that favors the unschooling method.
Quoting TJandKarasMom:

I guess I just still think there are things in life no one enjoys doing, but they need to get done. So I feel if I am making every single thing fun for my kids, I am doing them a disservice overall. I don't see how cleaning the toilet could EVER be fun, but it needs to be done regularly, so I do it. Some things in life are just not fun. So if my DD is complaining about studying her math facts, I tell her that everyone has to do things they don't like to do sometimes, and then I also find math games and other ways to help her solidify the skill...but she doesn't get out of doing something just because it isn't fun for her.

I think unschooling can be awesome, I think kids learn a lot when they are interested and want to learn about something. But I also think things can get missed if they are not interested. My son learned to read at 4, basically on his own because he was interested, I do think most kids will show an interest in something like reading...but learning about ancient Egypt or how our country was founded? My son may have been interested on his own, but my daughter never would have...but there are some things she should know before college...whether they are fun things or not.

I think homeschooling should be fun in many ways, but I also thing kids need to learn independence and responsibility, so my kids have chores-no one enjoys the chores, but that's life..dishes and laundry will always need to be done, along with cleaning the bathroom and taking out the trash and tons of other mundane tasks. Making their whole life fun, IMO, would make their adulthood kind of suck.


Quoting jen2150:

Child led learning actually take more parental guidance not less. It is about going over things when the time is right. I never skip anything. I just go back when the time is right. There is such a thing as too early. It is much more common to try things too early than too late. When my son was 3 he started to learn to write. He kept getting upset and frustrated so I knew it was too soon. so I waited 6 months and it was a completely different experience at a later time. Sure there are some things they enjoy more. I work with their interests and not against them. I never say we have to do this even though it is not fun. It sends the wrong message. I tell them if it isn't fun how can we make it fun. It gets their creativity going. I always love the ideas they come up with.


We do a combination of my own studies, curriculum and reading living books. We also use k'nex education series a lot. My sons also come up with their own ideas and projects as well. I think history is best learned through living books. There are very few good history textbooks. I help create an atmosphere of interest before we study anything.

Child led learning does not mean your kids never try things that are hard. We are taking karate together. It is very hard work. I am doing it with them. This year my son is learning how to play chess. He didn't want to try it. I told him to try for a month if he doesn't like he can always drop it. So we both agreed that he would give it a try. He loves it and enjoys learning how to play. Unschooled kids try new things all the time. I also lead by example. I am enthusiastic about what i am learning and read every day on all kinds of things. My kids are very curious and independent thinkers. My son even asked me to teach him to read when he was 5 years old. I simply created an environment that would make him want to learn. Unschooling is an very hands on and time consuming method. It is also a lot of fun.



Quoting TJandKarasMom:

I have to agree with AutymnsMommy...maybe kids will eventually get to a point they are interested and 'ready' for a topic, but then it could be awfully late. I am considering myself in comparison with AutymnsMommy's DD...I HATED history, had absolutely no interest...I went to ps and had many different types of teachers, and still was never interested. Now I look like a moron when I don't know much about it..I am now showing an interest and am wanting to skip ahead in our history to get to the parts I want to learn...but I'm 30. If I let my kids skip the stuff they aren't interested in, my DD wouldn't read a history book until she was 30, and would never know her math facts. And DS wouldn't have legible handwriting or have any idea who Van Gogh is.



I think there is a lot to be said for child led learning, but I still think they need suggestions and guidance from parents, otherwise they would just skip the hard stuff because who wants to do things that are too hard? But what will you learn if you never try?





Quoting jen2150:

So do I. I also trust that my children will be ready when the time is right. My boys are polar opposites. I also run a co-op and whenever I design a class I approach from many angles at once. I never teach anything I don't love. I develop a love for it first. Enthusiasm is contagious. This Year I designed a creative math class that uses k'nex, oragami and art to teach math.







Quoting AutymsMommy:

I recognize that my children are unique individuals with interests, likes, and dislikes all their own. *shrug*









Quoting jen2150:

Sorry I disagree. I am an eternal optimist. There is always a way. :-)











Quoting AutymsMommy:


Just because it is taught in a fun way, doesn't mean it's engaging to all children. My daughter didn't really give a lick about history, no matter how much time, energy, and money I spent trying to make it fun. She simply doesn't like history. She still needs to know it though. Same with writing for her - still important, but there is no "making it fun, making it engaging, etc" and forcing a child with no natural interest to enjoy it.






Quoting jen2150:

I also wanted to add that it is important to remember real learning happens when children are engaged. We are taught in school that there are things we hate but we still need to learn them. It is not true. I don't think there is anything that can't be taught in a fun way.





















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paganbaby
by Silver Member on Oct. 13, 2013 at 8:55 PM

I don't teach anything that's boring. There's always a way to make it fun :-)

mem82
by Platinum Member on Oct. 13, 2013 at 9:07 PM
I never try to do things to be boring, but sadly, some things are really boring no matter what. A young child needs more fun than an older child and my lesson plans reflect that, I think.
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