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Are there any subjects that you find unacceptable and will never teach?

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by on Oct. 25, 2013 at 8:31 PM
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JKronrod
by Bronze Member on Oct. 27, 2013 at 7:47 PM
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 Re R&J -- I think that's Shakespeare's point.  It's not a "love story" in the way we think about them today, and from what I was taught (years and years ago) the point was that unbridled passions (violent -- as  in a blood feud -- and romantic -- as only teenagers can manage) destroyed lives and ultimately families (since clearly R&J weren't going to be reproducing).  It's a great opportunity to discuss how we think about marital relationships today (focus only on the individuals) versus how they were viewed for much of human history (with an emphasis on the familial and socital  not "love").   And at least the body count is lower than Hamlet's.  :-)
 

Quoting SusanTheWriter:

Twilight or Romeo and Juliet? aka, the Two Stupidest Love Stories Ever Told? Or, as I once saw:
http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/236x/10/87/38/108738ee96f9dee283b2d6688e60a93b.jpg


 

JKronrod
by Bronze Member on Oct. 27, 2013 at 7:54 PM

 Are you all going to also teach about relationships?  One thing that drives me crazy is that the emphasis -- in schools certainly -- is that sex education is mostly about mechanics.  That's necessary, but what I think isn't really taught, or at least not taught well, is how one goes about choosing the right person for a lifetime relationship.  Thus, that aspect of it is left to "chemistry" -- or "I know him when I see him."  Clearly, that's not the best way of going about it, and since we clearly don't want to go back to arranged marriages (at least most of us don't), I think it makes a lot of sense to talk to our kids about the WHY of marriage or long term relationships and how sex fits into that, and from there what qualities make a good partner. 


Quoting bluerooffarm:

 I would not teach abstinence only either.  I want my kids to know all of the ramification if they choose a sexual lifestyle and how to protect themselves from some of those ramifications.  My hubby has encouraged me to even teach them about my own rape when the time comes around to talk about those kinds of things.  His reasoning is that his own parents mainly taught him "keep it in your pants" and he did not feel as though he was fully informed.  He had a lot of questions that did not jive with their abstinence only stance and they would just repeat..."keep it in your pants."  He knew almost nothing of STDs, female anatomy, birth control, family planning.  He felt unequipped to plan our family when we were married and there was a whole lot I needed to teach him.  If my own parents had prepared me the way he had been prepared, we would have been in real trouble!

Quoting PurpleCupcake:

I wouldn't teach abstinence only.

I would teach abstinence along side birth control, safe sex practices, disease and pregnancy prevention in addition to what sex is, and freely answer questions such as "when it's the right time". And a thorough explanation of the human body and reproductive processes. 

Around here a lot of parents only want to teach abstinence...and nothing else. No facts or info. 

I feel doing so is dangerous. I would love to live in a fairy tale land where my daughter doesn't want to gave sex until she is 30 and married. But, the reality (in this current world) is that is unlikely to happen. 

I want my daughter to know everything just in case she is going to make that choice/mistake too early. At least she will be less likely to get AIDS or get pregnant. 

But...as of yet she us not allowed to date...and I don't plan on letting her date for a long time. And if she does date...it will not be alone. And she is not going to go spend the night with a boyfriend. 

In essence, teenagers make some really stupid decisions sometimes. I just want to reduce the chance of a stupid choice becoming a serious, life changing, huge, huge mistake. 

Quoting kirbymom:

I know curiosity killed the cat and all that stuff, but I am curious anyways.
Why woldn't you teach abstinence?

Quoting PurpleCupcake:

Oh. I wouldn't teach abstinence only sex ed. 



 


 

kirbymom
by Sonja on Oct. 27, 2013 at 7:57 PM
Never heard it put that way before. Interesting.


Quoting JKronrod:

 Re R&J -- I think that's Shakespeare's point.  It's not a "love story" in the way we think about them today, and from what I was taught (years and years ago) the point was that unbridled passions (violent -- as  in a blood feud -- and romantic -- as only teenagers can manage) destroyed lives and ultimately families (since clearly R&J weren't going to be reproducing).  It's a great opportunity to discuss how we think about marital relationships today (focus only on the individuals) versus how they were viewed for much of human history (with an emphasis on the familial and socital  not "love").   And at least the body count is lower than Hamlet's.  :-) 


Quoting SusanTheWriter:

Twilight or Romeo and Juliet? aka, the Two Stupidest Love Stories Ever Told? Or, as I once saw:http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/236x/10/87/38/108738ee96f9dee283b2d6688e60a93b.jpg




 


JKronrod
by Bronze Member on Oct. 27, 2013 at 8:05 PM

My English teacher suggested that the audience in Shakespeare's time would have been mostly in sympathy with the FAMILIES not the lovers as the children represented the families' futures -- destroyed by the feud. From what I know of history (my area of study wasn't really Elizabethan social history), I don't think it was a "clean" as that, but certainty the audience would have understood the story somewhat differently.    


Quoting kirbymom:

Never heard it put that way before. Interesting.


Quoting JKronrod:

 Re R&J -- I think that's Shakespeare's point.  It's not a "love story" in the way we think about them today, and from what I was taught (years and years ago) the point was that unbridled passions (violent -- as  in a blood feud -- and romantic -- as only teenagers can manage) destroyed lives and ultimately families (since clearly R&J weren't going to be reproducing).  It's a great opportunity to discuss how we think about marital relationships today (focus only on the individuals) versus how they were viewed for much of human history (with an emphasis on the familial and socital  not "love").   And at least the body count is lower than Hamlet's.  :-) 


Quoting SusanTheWriter:

Twilight or Romeo and Juliet? aka, the Two Stupidest Love Stories Ever Told? Or, as I once saw:http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/236x/10/87/38/108738ee96f9dee283b2d6688e60a93b.jpg



 


 



 

kirbymom
by Sonja on Oct. 27, 2013 at 8:21 PM
That would make more sense given the era and the thought process.


Quoting JKronrod:

My English teacher suggested that the audience in Shakespeare's time would have been mostly in sympathy with the FAMILIES not the lovers as the children represented the families' futures -- destroyed by the feud. From what I know of history (my area of study wasn't really Elizabethan social history), I don't think it was a "clean" as that, but certainty the audience would have understood the story somewhat differently.    



Quoting kirbymom:Never heard it put that way before. Interesting.
Quoting JKronrod:

 Re R&J -- I think that's Shakespeare's point.  It's not a "love story" in the way we think about them today, and from what I was taught (years and years ago) the point was that unbridled passions (violent -- as  in a blood feud -- and romantic -- as only teenagers can manage) destroyed lives and ultimately families (since clearly R&J weren't going to be reproducing).  It's a great opportunity to discuss how we think about marital relationships today (focus only on the individuals) versus how they were viewed for much of human history (with an emphasis on the familial and socital  not "love").   And at least the body count is lower than Hamlet's.  :-) 


Quoting SusanTheWriter:

Twilight or Romeo and Juliet? aka, the Two Stupidest Love Stories Ever Told? Or, as I once saw:http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/236x/10/87/38/108738ee96f9dee283b2d6688e60a93b.jpg



 


 







 


coala
by Silver Member on Oct. 27, 2013 at 8:56 PM
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This has been quite an interesting post to read.

As far as not teaching subjects....I don't think we have one that we won't discuss with our children.  We gloss over things at their current ages and maturity levels.  We have talked about a great many of subjects and they usually come up and catch you off guard.  There have been some things that I tell my girls we will talk about when they get older.  Otherwise, pretty much everything is on the table for them to learn.

paganbaby
by Silver Member on Oct. 28, 2013 at 1:20 AM

I love that meme!

Quoting SusanTheWriter:

Twilight or Romeo and Juliet? aka, the Two Stupidest Love Stories Ever Told? Or, as I once saw:
http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/236x/10/87/38/108738ee96f9dee283b2d6688e60a93b.jpg


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bluerooffarm
by Gold Member on Oct. 28, 2013 at 8:32 AM
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 Here was our basic first discussion after Xavier saw the goats copulating.

X: Hmmm....well it looks like they are having fun.
Me: Yeah, well sex is fun.  If it weren't fun there would be no next generation.
X: But Pearl (our male goat is Pearl Jam, no we did not name him.) has sex with all of the girls.  But people only have sex with their wife right?
Me: Well....No.  Some people have sex with lots of people. 
X: You mean like Penny? (Big Bang)
Me: Yeah, like Penny.  BUT the more connected people are, the better the sex can be.
X: Huh?
Me: Well, like conversations.  I have conversations with absolute strangers, but they just scratch the surface, ya know?  But I have conversations with Daddy, and you, and the other boys, and grandma and Pappy.  Those conversations are much deeper.  But the deepest most significant conversations I have are...... when?
X: Ummmm......Oh coffeee time with Daddy on Saturday and Sunday mornings.  Cause we aren't allowed to interupt you.  You guys get our breakfast ready and let us watch cartoons while you guys talk.
Me: Yep.  That's when we connect.  Our conversations are the deepest because we are close and we are closer because our conversations are deeper.
X: Are we still talking about sex?
Me:  Yes.  See sex is deeper and really better when you have a great connection.
X: So does Pearl have a good connection with all the girls?
Me:  Watch them carefully and you tell me.

Much later X realized that the herd doe (Roxie Heart) is his favorite, he gives her the last of his hay.

Quoting JKronrod:

 Are you all going to also teach about relationships?  One thing that drives me crazy is that the emphasis -- in schools certainly -- is that sex education is mostly about mechanics.  That's necessary, but what I think isn't really taught, or at least not taught well, is how one goes about choosing the right person for a lifetime relationship.  Thus, that aspect of it is left to "chemistry" -- or "I know him when I see him."  Clearly, that's not the best way of going about it, and since we clearly don't want to go back to arranged marriages (at least most of us don't), I think it makes a lot of sense to talk to our kids about the WHY of marriage or long term relationships and how sex fits into that, and from there what qualities make a good partner. 

 

Quoting bluerooffarm:

 I would not teach abstinence only either.  I want my kids to know all of the ramification if they choose a sexual lifestyle and how to protect themselves from some of those ramifications.  My hubby has encouraged me to even teach them about my own rape when the time comes around to talk about those kinds of things.  His reasoning is that his own parents mainly taught him "keep it in your pants" and he did not feel as though he was fully informed.  He had a lot of questions that did not jive with their abstinence only stance and they would just repeat..."keep it in your pants."  He knew almost nothing of STDs, female anatomy, birth control, family planning.  He felt unequipped to plan our family when we were married and there was a whole lot I needed to teach him.  If my own parents had prepared me the way he had been prepared, we would have been in real trouble!

Quoting PurpleCupcake:

I wouldn't teach abstinence only.

I would teach abstinence along side birth control, safe sex practices, disease and pregnancy prevention in addition to what sex is, and freely answer questions such as "when it's the right time". And a thorough explanation of the human body and reproductive processes. 

Around here a lot of parents only want to teach abstinence...and nothing else. No facts or info. 

I feel doing so is dangerous. I would love to live in a fairy tale land where my daughter doesn't want to gave sex until she is 30 and married. But, the reality (in this current world) is that is unlikely to happen. 

I want my daughter to know everything just in case she is going to make that choice/mistake too early. At least she will be less likely to get AIDS or get pregnant. 

But...as of yet she us not allowed to date...and I don't plan on letting her date for a long time. And if she does date...it will not be alone. And she is not going to go spend the night with a boyfriend. 

In essence, teenagers make some really stupid decisions sometimes. I just want to reduce the chance of a stupid choice becoming a serious, life changing, huge, huge mistake. 

Quoting kirbymom:

I know curiosity killed the cat and all that stuff, but I am curious anyways.
Why woldn't you teach abstinence?

Quoting PurpleCupcake:

Oh. I wouldn't teach abstinence only sex ed. 



 

 

 

 

tuffymama
by Bronze Member on Oct. 28, 2013 at 8:48 AM
The farm kids I knew in school, even the BOYS, were the ones who handled sex ed more maturely and seemed more open to the instruction in those classes. I must say that the exposure to breeding meat and show animals really helped my little sister and ODS (they are two weeks apart in age). They are the most sensible kids I've known, when it comes to sex and human relationships. Now, if I could just get them to adjust their career paths to suit me... Hehehe!
Quoting bluerooffarm:

 Here was our basic first discussion after Xavier saw the goats copulating.


X: Hmmm....well it looks like they are having fun.Me: Yeah, well sex is fun.  If it weren't fun there would be no next generation.X: But Pearl (our male goat is Pearl Jam, no we did not name him.) has sex with all of the girls.  But people only have sex with their wife right?Me: Well....No.  Some people have sex with lots of people.  X: You mean like Penny? (Big Bang)Me: Yeah, like Penny.  BUT the more connected people are, the better the sex can be.X: Huh?Me: Well, like conversations.  I have conversations with absolute strangers, but they just scratch the surface, ya know?  But I have conversations with Daddy, and you, and the other boys, and grandma and Pappy.  Those conversations are much deeper.  But the deepest most significant conversations I have are...... when?X: Ummmm......Oh coffeee time with Daddy on Saturday and Sunday mornings.  Cause we aren't allowed to interupt you.  You guys get our breakfast ready and let us watch cartoons while you guys talk.Me: Yep.  That's when we connect.  Our conversations are the deepest because we are close and we are closer because our conversations are deeper.X: Are we still talking about sex?Me:  Yes.  See sex is deeper and really better when you have a great connection.X: So does Pearl have a good connection with all the girls?Me:  Watch them carefully and you tell me.Much later X realized that the herd doe (Roxie Heart) is his favorite, he gives her the last of his hay.


Quoting JKronrod:

 Are you all going to also teach about relationships?  One thing that drives me crazy is that the emphasis -- in schools certainly -- is that sex education is mostly about mechanics.  That's necessary, but what I think isn't really taught, or at least not taught well, is how one goes about choosing the right person for a lifetime relationship.  Thus, that aspect of it is left to "chemistry" -- or "I know him when I see him."  Clearly, that's not the best way of going about it, and since we clearly don't want to go back to arranged marriages (at least most of us don't), I think it makes a lot of sense to talk to our kids about the WHY of marriage or long term relationships and how sex fits into that, and from there what qualities make a good partner. 


 


Quoting bluerooffarm:

 I would not teach abstinence only either.  I want my kids to know all of the ramification if they choose a sexual lifestyle and how to protect themselves from some of those ramifications.  My hubby has encouraged me to even teach them about my own rape when the time comes around to talk about those kinds of things.  His reasoning is that his own parents mainly taught him "keep it in your pants" and he did not feel as though he was fully informed.  He had a lot of questions that did not jive with their abstinence only stance and they would just repeat..."keep it in your pants."  He knew almost nothing of STDs, female anatomy, birth control, family planning.  He felt unequipped to plan our family when we were married and there was a whole lot I needed to teach him.  If my own parents had prepared me the way he had been prepared, we would have been in real trouble!


Quoting PurpleCupcake:

I wouldn't teach abstinence only.


I would teach abstinence along side birth control, safe sex practices, disease and pregnancy prevention in addition to what sex is, and freely answer questions such as "when it's the right time". And a thorough explanation of the human body and reproductive processes. 


Around here a lot of parents only want to teach abstinence...and nothing else. No facts or info. 


I feel doing so is dangerous. I would love to live in a fairy tale land where my daughter doesn't want to gave sex until she is 30 and married. But, the reality (in this current world) is that is unlikely to happen. 


I want my daughter to know everything just in case she is going to make that choice/mistake too early. At least she will be less likely to get AIDS or get pregnant. 


But...as of yet she us not allowed to date...and I don't plan on letting her date for a long time. And if she does date...it will not be alone. And she is not going to go spend the night with a boyfriend. 


In essence, teenagers make some really stupid decisions sometimes. I just want to reduce the chance of a stupid choice becoming a serious, life changing, huge, huge mistake. 


Quoting kirbymom:I know curiosity killed the cat and all that stuff, but I am curious anyways.Why woldn't you teach abstinence?
Quoting PurpleCupcake:

Oh. I wouldn't teach abstinence only sex ed. 






 



 


 



 


bluerooffarm
by Gold Member on Oct. 28, 2013 at 8:54 AM

 Yes, we are having the conversations very early and I really think it's becaue they get to see the matings!  My in-laws are appalled that we are discussing these things.  They were actually there for one of the convo beginnings; they were very uncomfortable about how open and honest our talks are; and they left early because they "couldn't handle" the topic. 

What career path are you aiming for?

Quoting tuffymama:

The farm kids I knew in school, even the BOYS, were the ones who handled sex ed more maturely and seemed more open to the instruction in those classes. I must say that the exposure to breeding meat and show animals really helped my little sister and ODS (they are two weeks apart in age). They are the most sensible kids I've known, when it comes to sex and human relationships. Now, if I could just get them to adjust their career paths to suit me... Hehehe!
Quoting bluerooffarm:

 Here was our basic first discussion after Xavier saw the goats copulating.


X: Hmmm....well it looks like they are having fun.Me: Yeah, well sex is fun.  If it weren't fun there would be no next generation.X: But Pearl (our male goat is Pearl Jam, no we did not name him.) has sex with all of the girls.  But people only have sex with their wife right?Me: Well....No.  Some people have sex with lots of people.  X: You mean like Penny? (Big Bang)Me: Yeah, like Penny.  BUT the more connected people are, the better the sex can be.X: Huh?Me: Well, like conversations.  I have conversations with absolute strangers, but they just scratch the surface, ya know?  But I have conversations with Daddy, and you, and the other boys, and grandma and Pappy.  Those conversations are much deeper.  But the deepest most significant conversations I have are...... when?X: Ummmm......Oh coffeee time with Daddy on Saturday and Sunday mornings.  Cause we aren't allowed to interupt you.  You guys get our breakfast ready and let us watch cartoons while you guys talk.Me: Yep.  That's when we connect.  Our conversations are the deepest because we are close and we are closer because our conversations are deeper.X: Are we still talking about sex?Me:  Yes.  See sex is deeper and really better when you have a great connection.X: So does Pearl have a good connection with all the girls?Me:  Watch them carefully and you tell me.Much later X realized that the herd doe (Roxie Heart) is his favorite, he gives her the last of his hay.


Quoting JKronrod:

 Are you all going to also teach about relationships?  One thing that drives me crazy is that the emphasis -- in schools certainly -- is that sex education is mostly about mechanics.  That's necessary, but what I think isn't really taught, or at least not taught well, is how one goes about choosing the right person for a lifetime relationship.  Thus, that aspect of it is left to "chemistry" -- or "I know him when I see him."  Clearly, that's not the best way of going about it, and since we clearly don't want to go back to arranged marriages (at least most of us don't), I think it makes a lot of sense to talk to our kids about the WHY of marriage or long term relationships and how sex fits into that, and from there what qualities make a good partner. 


 


Quoting bluerooffarm:

 I would not teach abstinence only either.  I want my kids to know all of the ramification if they choose a sexual lifestyle and how to protect themselves from some of those ramifications.  My hubby has encouraged me to even teach them about my own rape when the time comes around to talk about those kinds of things.  His reasoning is that his own parents mainly taught him "keep it in your pants" and he did not feel as though he was fully informed.  He had a lot of questions that did not jive with their abstinence only stance and they would just repeat..."keep it in your pants."  He knew almost nothing of STDs, female anatomy, birth control, family planning.  He felt unequipped to plan our family when we were married and there was a whole lot I needed to teach him.  If my own parents had prepared me the way he had been prepared, we would have been in real trouble!


Quoting PurpleCupcake:

I wouldn't teach abstinence only.


I would teach abstinence along side birth control, safe sex practices, disease and pregnancy prevention in addition to what sex is, and freely answer questions such as "when it's the right time". And a thorough explanation of the human body and reproductive processes. 


Around here a lot of parents only want to teach abstinence...and nothing else. No facts or info. 


I feel doing so is dangerous. I would love to live in a fairy tale land where my daughter doesn't want to gave sex until she is 30 and married. But, the reality (in this current world) is that is unlikely to happen. 


I want my daughter to know everything just in case she is going to make that choice/mistake too early. At least she will be less likely to get AIDS or get pregnant. 


But...as of yet she us not allowed to date...and I don't plan on letting her date for a long time. And if she does date...it will not be alone. And she is not going to go spend the night with a boyfriend. 


In essence, teenagers make some really stupid decisions sometimes. I just want to reduce the chance of a stupid choice becoming a serious, life changing, huge, huge mistake. 


Quoting kirbymom:I know curiosity killed the cat and all that stuff, but I am curious anyways.Why woldn't you teach abstinence?
Quoting PurpleCupcake:

Oh. I wouldn't teach abstinence only sex ed. 






 



 


 



 


 

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