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I have been having school in the form of a debate with my 3 oldest and have seen some of their thinking process and what the personally believe. It is quite interesting! It has also shown me that we need to work on our skills as orators and our reactions to other people negative reactions to the way we lay out our own ideas and or beliefs. But overall, we have been learning SO much!

So, my question is this...Do you teach debating skills or do you use debating skills to utilize school lessons or ideas?


How do you feel about Debating?

  

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by on Dec. 6, 2013 at 5:02 PM
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Bluecalm
by Bronze Member on Dec. 8, 2013 at 6:03 PM
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I believe this is one skill both my boys began using the moment they could talk. That and the art of negotiation. LOL

bluerooffarm
by Gold Member on Dec. 8, 2013 at 6:53 PM
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Rule #1: Respect the property and personage of another.  Rule #2: Do what you are contracted to do.  

Contracts create lively debates!!  But adding rules just doesn't really make sense because...no hitting (well that's respecting the personage of another)....don't steal (that's respecting the property of another)..... don't yell (that's respecting momma's eardrums which are part of her personage).  And on and on.

Quoting TJandKarasMom: I'd like to know what you're two rules are ;)

We don't debate as much as I'd like to..DH and I do sometimes, but we should get the kids involved...a goal of ours is to raise independent thinkers, so we should encourage debating!

Quoting bluerooffarm:

We don't actually teach debate, but we debate a lot for fun.  I grew up debating with my father at the kitchen table, and our kids are doing the same now.  It has upped my game debating the side I disagree with sometimes!  My father played Devil's Advocate a lot when we were growing up and I am really appreciating how difficult it can be.  The kids have some pretty awesome ideas and really take to a challenge.  We only have 2 real rules in our house and we often have debates about adding more rules.  Since all rules can be boiled down to our 2 rules it's fun to watch them come to the conclusions that adding the rule is either superfluous OR will actually limit their freedoms.  It's fun to use debate to draw those conclusions out of them without just dictating or telling them straight out why we believe what we do.


paganbaby
by Silver Member on Dec. 9, 2013 at 12:50 AM

We debate instead of fight in our house, does that count? lol

PurpleCupcake
by on Dec. 9, 2013 at 8:27 AM

While debating in college, understanding fallacies really helped me. I was able to pick apart arguments based on improper logic.

Here is a good list to start with..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy

kirbymom
by Sonja on Dec. 9, 2013 at 12:58 PM
Me too! I always seemed to have a better frame of mind to write when I had been in a decent debate. I felt more alive and connected to things and everyone. Sounds corny but it's the truth. lol


Quoting TidewaterClan: It was a great experience. I wrote better essays and other things because of it. That is one thing I've been stressing to my girls, and I didn't even realize it.

Quoting kirbymom: I wish I had had the opportunity to be on an actual team, myself. I think I could have learned so much more if I had. I also think it is helpful in so many areas of life and not just a skill in verbal speech.
I love debating politics. And theology. And the Theory of science. And just being able to banter ideas back and forth in general. :)

Quoting TidewaterClan: We hold debates all the time but haven't done that formally yet. That's a great idea Sonja.

I was on the debate team in high school. It's a great skill, not just the public speaking part, but being able to research & find facts to back up what you're saying. It's been handy many times when discussing things with dh, when I was working, and with one of my buddies who loves to get into political discussions, lol.

It helps me not to take things too personal because I like hearing other people's ideas, and if I don't end up agreeing I've usually learned something at least. :)
kirbymom
by Sonja on Dec. 9, 2013 at 1:56 PM
Your family and my family would live having conversations! Your son is a deep thinker. Does he enjoy science or math or both?


btw ... Sorry I took soon long to reply. We have been looking for a place to move into.


Quoting bluerooffarm:

Those are awesome topics!  We like to discuss the ethics research.  We  recently watched a documentary on Netflix (Alien Planet) about the probe we are planning to send to Darwin IV, leaving in 2014.  We've had some lively debates about the ethics of that space flight.  It was interesting the way my middle son questioned the portrayal of all the benign little beings they supposed we will find.  He's really pessimistic of it.  And his arguments are very valid.  It will take 42 years for the probe to get there and 6 years for the message to return.  (He is 6 BTW) And he wonders how much faster a smarter creature could travel than we do.  Is it possible to travel at the speed of light and if so, seconds after the message gets here to say there is a smarter being, the smarter being could be here too.  Yikes!  He is obsessed with this discussion and researching and thinking about the possibilities!  

Quoting kirbymom: I grew up similarly. I loved a good debate upon which to either further my beliefs or learn new ways of thought.
I don't really teach it either as a stand alone subject/lesson but we do make sure that the kids can debate an issue well. Both from a verbal viewpoint and a written viewpoint.
Right now, my 16 and 14 and 12 yr olds and I are in the middle of a bunch of debates. We are discussing anti-matter, the different dimensions, quantum theory.


Quoting bluerooffarm:

We don't actually teach debate, but we debate a lot for fun.  I grew up debating with my father at the kitchen table, and our kids are doing the same now.  It has upped my game debating the side I disagree with sometimes!  My father played Devil's Advocate a lot when we were growing up and I am really appreciating how difficult it can be.  The kids have some pretty awesome ideas and really take to a challenge.  We only have 2 real rules in our house and we often have debates about adding more rules.  Since all rules can be boiled down to our 2 rules it's fun to watch them come to the conclusions that adding the rule is either superfluous OR will actually limit their freedoms.  It's fun to use debate to draw those conclusions out of them without just dictating or telling them straight out why we believe what we do.

bluerooffarm
by Gold Member on Dec. 9, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Levi enjoys science and he's really good at math, but he doesn't really like it unless he doesn't realize he's doing it!  LOL  

No problem! How did the search go?

Quoting kirbymom: Your family and my family would live having conversations! Your son is a deep thinker. Does he enjoy science or math or both?


btw ... Sorry I took soon long to reply. We have been looking for a place to move into.


Quoting bluerooffarm:

Those are awesome topics!  We like to discuss the ethics research.  We  recently watched a documentary on Netflix (Alien Planet) about the probe we are planning to send to Darwin IV, leaving in 2014.  We've had some lively debates about the ethics of that space flight.  It was interesting the way my middle son questioned the portrayal of all the benign little beings they supposed we will find.  He's really pessimistic of it.  And his arguments are very valid.  It will take 42 years for the probe to get there and 6 years for the message to return.  (He is 6 BTW) And he wonders how much faster a smarter creature could travel than we do.  Is it possible to travel at the speed of light and if so, seconds after the message gets here to say there is a smarter being, the smarter being could be here too.  Yikes!  He is obsessed with this discussion and researching and thinking about the possibilities!  

Quoting kirbymom: I grew up similarly. I loved a good debate upon which to either further my beliefs or learn new ways of thought.
I don't really teach it either as a stand alone subject/lesson but we do make sure that the kids can debate an issue well. Both from a verbal viewpoint and a written viewpoint.
Right now, my 16 and 14 and 12 yr olds and I are in the middle of a bunch of debates. We are discussing anti-matter, the different dimensions, quantum theory.


Quoting bluerooffarm:

We don't actually teach debate, but we debate a lot for fun.  I grew up debating with my father at the kitchen table, and our kids are doing the same now.  It has upped my game debating the side I disagree with sometimes!  My father played Devil's Advocate a lot when we were growing up and I am really appreciating how difficult it can be.  The kids have some pretty awesome ideas and really take to a challenge.  We only have 2 real rules in our house and we often have debates about adding more rules.  Since all rules can be boiled down to our 2 rules it's fun to watch them come to the conclusions that adding the rule is either superfluous OR will actually limit their freedoms.  It's fun to use debate to draw those conclusions out of them without just dictating or telling them straight out why we believe what we do.


kirbymom
by Sonja on Dec. 9, 2013 at 2:08 PM
Even without any experience?

Quoting Dawn07: I went onto debate forums a lot.

Quoting kirbymom: Aww.
How did you learn? If you don't mind my asking?


Quoting Dawn07: I would like to be able to have my children learn how to debate and the proper etiquette of debating. I learned the hard way.
Dawn07
by Bronze Member on Dec. 9, 2013 at 2:16 PM
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Yes lol. Probably wasn't a smart move but I learned. I didn't debate everything an all the time though. Sometimes I would just read the debate and people's comments and would pick up on things. The first thing I learned was don't get your panties in a knot just because they disagreed with you.

Quoting kirbymom: Even without any experience?



Quoting Dawn07: I went onto debate forums a lot.



Quoting kirbymom: Aww.

How did you learn? If you don't mind my asking?





Quoting Dawn07: I would like to be able to have my children learn how to debate and the proper etiquette of debating. I learned the hard way.
kirbymom
by Sonja on Dec. 9, 2013 at 2:25 PM
I know what you mean! I have a couple of cuties like that myself. :)

Not yet. It is slow going. Prices in NY are HIGH! lol


Quoting bluerooffarm:

Levi enjoys science and he's really good at math, but he doesn't really like it unless he doesn't realize he's doing it!  LOL  

No problem! How did the search go?

Quoting kirbymom: Your family and my family would live having conversations! Your son is a deep thinker. Does he enjoy science or math or both?


btw ... Sorry I took soon long to reply. We have been looking for a place to move into.


Quoting bluerooffarm:

Those are awesome topics!  We like to discuss the ethics research.  We  recently watched a documentary on Netflix (Alien Planet) about the probe we are planning to send to Darwin IV, leaving in 2014.  We've had some lively debates about the ethics of that space flight.  It was interesting the way my middle son questioned the portrayal of all the benign little beings they supposed we will find.  He's really pessimistic of it.  And his arguments are very valid.  It will take 42 years for the probe to get there and 6 years for the message to return.  (He is 6 BTW) And he wonders how much faster a smarter creature could travel than we do.  Is it possible to travel at the speed of light and if so, seconds after the message gets here to say there is a smarter being, the smarter being could be here too.  Yikes!  He is obsessed with this discussion and researching and thinking about the possibilities!  

Quoting kirbymom: I grew up similarly. I loved a good debate upon which to either further my beliefs or learn new ways of thought.
I don't really teach it either as a stand alone subject/lesson but we do make sure that the kids can debate an issue well. Both from a verbal viewpoint and a written viewpoint.
Right now, my 16 and 14 and 12 yr olds and I are in the middle of a bunch of debates. We are discussing anti-matter, the different dimensions, quantum theory.


Quoting bluerooffarm:

We don't actually teach debate, but we debate a lot for fun.  I grew up debating with my father at the kitchen table, and our kids are doing the same now.  It has upped my game debating the side I disagree with sometimes!  My father played Devil's Advocate a lot when we were growing up and I am really appreciating how difficult it can be.  The kids have some pretty awesome ideas and really take to a challenge.  We only have 2 real rules in our house and we often have debates about adding more rules.  Since all rules can be boiled down to our 2 rules it's fun to watch them come to the conclusions that adding the rule is either superfluous OR will actually limit their freedoms.  It's fun to use debate to draw those conclusions out of them without just dictating or telling them straight out why we believe what we do.

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