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Florida Judge Orders Homeschool Children to Attend Public School


The right for parents to educate their children as they desire is under attack. As we have reported previously, homeschooling is growing seven times faster than public schooling, and the U.S. government is progressively taking actions to restrict it. Parents are increasingly keeping their children at home to educate them, avoiding government intrusion into their family lives, which includes mandatory vaccinations, toxic school meals, and questionable educational materials among other things.

Having access to the nation’s children is an economic necessity for the distribution of vaccines and government subsidized food provided to the schools. As public school enrollments decrease, it causes economic hardship on pharmaceutical companies and large commodity processed food corporations.

Prejudice against homeschooled children is still prevalent, as can be seen in this recent case in Florida, where a judge ordered homeschooled children to attend public school. The children had been appointed a guardian by the court in a visitation dispute between their divorced parents. While neither parent had any issues with the children being educated at home, the guardian and judge acted independently and decided for themselves what they deemed best for the children, and ordered them to start attending a public school, even though both parents were committed to raising them Catholic.

Home School Legal Defense Association (HSLDA) has filed an Amicus Brief on behalf of the children. Here is HSLDA’s report from their website:

The mother and father have been fighting over visitation for years, and a scheduled hearing last summer seemed to be just the latest skirmish in the war. A court-appointed psychologist testified that the children were all doing well academically. But at the hearing, the guardian ad litem—appointed by the court to represent the children’s best interest—testified that her “gut reaction” was that the children should be in public school for socialization. The guardian also used the mother’s “ultra Catholic” beliefs as evidence against homeschooling, even though the divorce agreement had mandated that the children be raised Catholic.

Without warning, the judge used the hearing not just to rule on the visitation schedule, but also to order the kids into public school, even though the father had not made education an issue before the hearing. The judge lectured the mother, “When are they going to socialize? Is homeschool going to continue through college and/or professional schooling? At which point are these children going to interact with other children, and isn’t that in their best interest?” With that, the judge changed a long-standing court order permitting homeschooling and ordered the children into the local school.

HSLDA filed a brief arguing that the family should be allowed to continue homeschooling. In our amicus brief, we contended that if the mother had received warning that homeschooling would be at issue, she could have presented a substantial body of evidence that homeschoolers are well-socialized. We pointed to a number of academic studies that show homeschool graduates to be successful college students and adults.

“It is truly unfortunate that after decades of homeschooling, parents are still fighting a battle against ignorance and ‘What about socialization?’” said Jim Mason, HSLDA’s litigation counsel.

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by on Dec. 25, 2013 at 5:18 PM
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kirbymom
by Sonja on Dec. 25, 2013 at 8:05 PM
You know, that was what I was thinking!


Quoting Bluecalm: I think it's scary that the GAL could influence the judge based on her prejudices against hsing when it wasn't even an issue in this case.
shadowmoon
by Member on Dec. 25, 2013 at 8:07 PM
I'd fake my death and my child's death and leave the country.
kirbymom
by Sonja on Dec. 25, 2013 at 8:27 PM
So you don't think it was a fair decision, then?


Quoting debramommyof4: I would find a new judge and fight that decision.
kirbymom
by Sonja on Dec. 25, 2013 at 8:40 PM
But the parents didn't have an issue over the children's education. The judge could have addressed anything else and been been on the right track with those decisions. But, he didn't. He chose to delve into a a part of the case where there weren't any problems.


Quoting PurpleCupcake:

My opinion will be a little different...yes, what the judge did was wrong...

But I bet that judge has seen those patents fighting for years and at this point I'm sure he doesn't even think they can be effective parents, let alone homeschoolers. 

kirbymom
by Sonja on Dec. 25, 2013 at 8:48 PM
So, you don't agree with the here's decision? Why? What about the decision don't you agree with?


Quoting shadowmoon: I'd fake my death and my child's death and leave the country.
somuchlove4U
by Bronze Member on Dec. 25, 2013 at 8:59 PM
I agree. There probably more to the story. I read this before. I don't see it as an attack on all homeschool families. I also don't see it as a state forcing all his kids to go to public school.

Quoting PurpleCupcake:

My opinion will be a little different...yes, what the judge did was wrong...

But I bet that judge has seen those patents fighting for years and at this point I'm sure he doesn't even think they can be effective parents, let alone homeschoolers. 

kirbymom
by Sonja on Dec. 25, 2013 at 9:14 PM
I'm sure that was the same thought behind the founding of CPS. Now CPS is an out of control group of people that believe they are the only one that have the ability to make good parental decisions. Or what about the Zero Tolerance policies all across this country? We now have kindergartners being expelled. You only need a first time before it will become common place.


Quoting somuchlove4U: I agree. There probably more to the story. I read this before. I don't see it as an attack on all homeschool families. I also don't see it as a state forcing all his kids to go to public school.

Quoting PurpleCupcake:

My opinion will be a little different...yes, what the judge did was wrong...

But I bet that judge has seen those patents fighting for years and at this point I'm sure he doesn't even think they can be effective parents, let alone homeschoolers. 

JKronrod
by Bronze Member on Dec. 25, 2013 at 9:24 PM
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 Yes, I often have problems with them for other reasons as well (don't get me started), but sometimes they are right.  We're in CA and there was that insane decision a couple of years ago from a family court judge saying essentially that home schooling was not generally legal in CA (completely wrong, but it caused a lot of stress for a lot of people) -- and for years before that we were dealing with a superintendent of education who took a similar position and sent out very misleading documentation which were clearly intended to scare people.  If this type of thing is not squashed quickly it could become acceptable -- and that's clearly not in our interests. 

Quoting KickButtMama:

Sigh, I can't stand HSLDA for their histrionics. A family court judge can not make all HS'ers go to PS, he only has temp control of 1 family, and they can appeal to a different judge. I agree it must be frustrating for the family. But I dislike HSDLA making it seem, heck even saying outright, "the rights of homeschoolers is being threatened" 

 

shadowmoon
by Member on Dec. 25, 2013 at 9:31 PM
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Quoting kirbymom: So, you don't agree with the here's decision? Why? What about the decision don't you agree with?


Quoting shadowmoon: I'd fake my death and my child's death and leave the country.
I don't feel the government has any business interfering a child's life unless they can prove that child is growing up in an abusive, drug infested or otherwise harmful environment. As a county we are poorly behind other countries in terms of education, particularly in the math and science areas. From the article posted it appears to me the parents had no issue with the homeschooling. The judge appears to only have acted on the 'gut feeling' of some child court appointed guardian who is either biased against homeschool or simply ignorant since the guardian threw in the socialization BS excuse. Homeschool if done correctly by parents easily presents a lot, possibly more, socialization than public and private school counterparts. Parents have the right to homeschool in this country. Hell for many years it was the only type of education in this country before the mandate of public government schools but that's a different topic altogether. Parents may homeschool due to a variety of reasons: Bullying, gangs, gun violence, poor academic standards, location, reputation of school, religion, if they have special needs children or a combination of the above and probably many other reasons I can't think of. This country is not Germany where it's illegal to homeschool or you'll lose custody and go to jail. The only thing I think the judge may have been right on commenting is the custody issue between fighting divorced parents. I don't see any reason to have brought their religon or homeschooling into the discussion/court order.
hipmomto3
by Bronze Member on Dec. 25, 2013 at 9:39 PM
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I agree that HSLDA is whack.

I also think we don't get the full story. The "article" is obviously biased and not at all objective. And the tossed-in comments about vaccinations made me laugh out loud. How ludicrous! Homeschooling does not equate to nonvaccination. These are two unrelated issues, and vaccination had nothing to do with the basic argument of the article. 

If these parents have been fighting for "years" over custody, I agree it's unlikely the children were being well educated. We don't have all the facts. So sure the parents themselves didn't have any issue with homeschooling, but for some reason the appointed guardian did. Maybe the children tested far far below their grade levels. We really don't know. Parents do have a right to educate their own children, but they need to do just that - educate them. It's rare, but it does happen that homeschooling parents don't teach their children anything at all, and do them a great disservice. We just don't have all the information in this case.

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