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Florida Judge Orders Homeschool Children to Attend Public School


The right for parents to educate their children as they desire is under attack. As we have reported previously, homeschooling is growing seven times faster than public schooling, and the U.S. government is progressively taking actions to restrict it. Parents are increasingly keeping their children at home to educate them, avoiding government intrusion into their family lives, which includes mandatory vaccinations, toxic school meals, and questionable educational materials among other things.

Having access to the nation’s children is an economic necessity for the distribution of vaccines and government subsidized food provided to the schools. As public school enrollments decrease, it causes economic hardship on pharmaceutical companies and large commodity processed food corporations.

Prejudice against homeschooled children is still prevalent, as can be seen in this recent case in Florida, where a judge ordered homeschooled children to attend public school. The children had been appointed a guardian by the court in a visitation dispute between their divorced parents. While neither parent had any issues with the children being educated at home, the guardian and judge acted independently and decided for themselves what they deemed best for the children, and ordered them to start attending a public school, even though both parents were committed to raising them Catholic.

Home School Legal Defense Association (HSLDA) has filed an Amicus Brief on behalf of the children. Here is HSLDA’s report from their website:

The mother and father have been fighting over visitation for years, and a scheduled hearing last summer seemed to be just the latest skirmish in the war. A court-appointed psychologist testified that the children were all doing well academically. But at the hearing, the guardian ad litem—appointed by the court to represent the children’s best interest—testified that her “gut reaction” was that the children should be in public school for socialization. The guardian also used the mother’s “ultra Catholic” beliefs as evidence against homeschooling, even though the divorce agreement had mandated that the children be raised Catholic.

Without warning, the judge used the hearing not just to rule on the visitation schedule, but also to order the kids into public school, even though the father had not made education an issue before the hearing. The judge lectured the mother, “When are they going to socialize? Is homeschool going to continue through college and/or professional schooling? At which point are these children going to interact with other children, and isn’t that in their best interest?” With that, the judge changed a long-standing court order permitting homeschooling and ordered the children into the local school.

HSLDA filed a brief arguing that the family should be allowed to continue homeschooling. In our amicus brief, we contended that if the mother had received warning that homeschooling would be at issue, she could have presented a substantial body of evidence that homeschoolers are well-socialized. We pointed to a number of academic studies that show homeschool graduates to be successful college students and adults.

“It is truly unfortunate that after decades of homeschooling, parents are still fighting a battle against ignorance and ‘What about socialization?’” said Jim Mason, HSLDA’s litigation counsel.

Will We See More Forced Education to Support “Common Core”?

Is the above statement a fair and true question?

  

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by on Dec. 25, 2013 at 5:18 PM
Replies (21-30):
celticdragon77
by on Dec. 25, 2013 at 10:13 PM

This post makes me want to scream!

celticdragon77
by on Dec. 25, 2013 at 10:19 PM

So you want zero oversight because some people misuse it?! That is the same logic that makes them want to ban homeschooling!!!

Balance. 

Quoting kirbymom: I'm sure that was the same thought behind the founding of CPS. Now CPS is an out of control group of people that believe they are the only one that have the ability to make good parental decisions. Or what about the Zero Tolerance policies all across this country? We now have kindergartners being expelled. You only need a first time before it will become common place.


Quoting somuchlove4U: I agree. There probably more to the story. I read this before. I don't see it as an attack on all homeschool families. I also don't see it as a state forcing all his kids to go to public school.

Quoting PurpleCupcake:

My opinion will be a little different...yes, what the judge did was wrong...

But I bet that judge has seen those patents fighting for years and at this point I'm sure he doesn't even think they can be effective parents, let alone homeschoolers. 


KickButtMama
by Shannon on Dec. 25, 2013 at 10:23 PM

I agree. I just wish it was a group that helps ALL HS families in need, not just those who fit their religious/political ajenda. They won't and have refused to help those like myself who are members of alternative religions, or those in alternative relationships, etc. I'd swallow the biased articles if they actually assisted all HS families. But I also recognize their right to not support certain lifestyles. 

Quoting kirbymom: I understand your frustrations with this group, but, there needs to be someone to defend the individuals that don't have anyway or anyone to help them when in need. This group does that.


Quoting KickButtMama:

Sigh, I can't stand HSLDA for their histrionics. A family court judge can not make all HS'ers go to PS, he only has temp control of 1 family, and they can appeal to a different judge. I agree it must be frustrating for the family. But I dislike HSDLA making it seem, heck even saying outright, "the rights of homeschoolers is being threatened" 


kirbymom
by Sonja on Dec. 25, 2013 at 10:24 PM
But the homeschooling was not apart of the "ongoing" court case. In fact, the case shows that the children tested just fine academically. The here's stated concern was only about the solcialization of the children, or, in his opinion, the lack of socialization. The case is about how long visitation is. The judge should gave ruled on that and not on something neither parent had a fight with. So, if the education was on par with the state standards, then there should have been no reason to make a decision about their education. The judge should have made a decision about the visitation issues.
So why didn't he?


Quoting hipmomto3:

I agree that HSLDA is whack.

I also think we don't get the full story. The "article" is obviously biased and not at all objective. And the tossed-in comments about vaccinations made me laugh out loud. How ludicrous! Homeschooling does not equate to nonvaccination. These are two unrelated issues, and vaccination had nothing to do with the basic argument of the article. 

If these parents have been fighting for "years" over custody, I agree it's unlikely the children were being well educated. We don't have all the facts. So sure the parents themselves didn't have any issue with homeschooling, but for some reason the appointed guardian did. Maybe the children tested far far below their grade levels. We really don't know. Parents do have a right to educate their own children, but they need to do just that - educate them. It's rare, but it does happen that homeschooling parents don't teach their children anything at all, and do them a great disservice. We just don't have all the information in this case.

KickButtMama
by Shannon on Dec. 25, 2013 at 10:30 PM

I completely agree. Hostility and distrust will only breed the same.

Sadly there have been several instances of severe abuse by HS families. I don't believe we should abandon those children just for the sake of more freedom for me. 

Quoting celticdragon77:

So you want zero oversight because some people misuse it?! That is the same logic that makes them want to ban homeschooling!!!

Balance. 

Quoting kirbymom: I'm sure that was the same thought behind the founding of CPS. Now CPS is an out of control group of people that believe they are the only one that have the ability to make good parental decisions. Or what about the Zero Tolerance policies all across this country? We now have kindergartners being expelled. You only need a first time before it will become common place.


Quoting somuchlove4U: I agree. There probably more to the story. I read this before. I don't see it as an attack on all homeschool families. I also don't see it as a state forcing all his kids to go to public school.

Quoting PurpleCupcake:

My opinion will be a little different...yes, what the judge did was wrong...

But I bet that judge has seen those patents fighting for years and at this point I'm sure he doesn't even think they can be effective parents, let alone homeschoolers. 



kirbymom
by Sonja on Dec. 25, 2013 at 10:42 PM
The judge made a decision on something that isn't even a point of contention between the two fighting parents.
Where's the balance there?

Besides, this doesn't make my points any less valid and true.

Quoting celticdragon77:

So you want zero oversight because some people misuse it?! That is the same logic that makes them want to ban homeschooling!!!

Balance. 

Quoting kirbymom: I'm sure that was the same thought behind the founding of CPS. Now CPS is an out of control group of people that believe they are the only one that have the ability to make good parental decisions. Or what about the Zero Tolerance policies all across this country? We now have kindergartners being expelled. You only need a first time before it will become common place.


Quoting somuchlove4U: I agree. There probably more to the story. I read this before. I don't see it as an attack on all homeschool families. I also don't see it as a state forcing all his kids to go to public school.

Quoting PurpleCupcake:

My opinion will be a little different...yes, what the judge did was wrong...

But I bet that judge has seen those patents fighting for years and at this point I'm sure he doesn't even think they can be effective parents, let alone homeschoolers. 

kirbymom
by Sonja on Dec. 25, 2013 at 10:47 PM
You have a point there. It's sad that more people aren't willing to stand up and help just because.someone needs help.


Quoting KickButtMama:

I agree. I just wish it was a group that helps ALL HS families in need, not just those who fit their religious/political ajenda. They won't and have refused to help those like myself who are members of alternative religions, or those in alternative relationships, etc. I'd swallow the biased articles if they actually assisted all HS families. But I also recognize their right to not support certain lifestyles. 

Quoting kirbymom: I understand your frustrations with this group, but, there needs to be someone to defend the individuals that don't have anyway or anyone to help them when in need. This group does that.


Quoting KickButtMama:

Sigh, I can't stand HSLDA for their histrionics. A family court judge can not make all HS'ers go to PS, he only has temp control of 1 family, and they can appeal to a different judge. I agree it must be frustrating for the family. But I dislike HSDLA making it seem, heck even saying outright, "the rights of homeschoolers is being threatened" 

JKronrod
by Bronze Member on Dec. 25, 2013 at 10:59 PM

 I'm Jewish, and, in fairness, they DID help me a couple of times.  Were you a member when they turned you down?

Quoting KickButtMama:

I agree. I just wish it was a group that helps ALL HS families in need, not just those who fit their religious/political ajenda. They won't and have refused to help those like myself who are members of alternative religions, or those in alternative relationships, etc. I'd swallow the biased articles if they actually assisted all HS families. But I also recognize their right to not support certain lifestyles. 

Quoting kirbymom: I understand your frustrations with this group, but, there needs to be someone to defend the individuals that don't have anyway or anyone to help them when in need. This group does that.


Quoting KickButtMama:

Sigh, I can't stand HSLDA for their histrionics. A family court judge can not make all HS'ers go to PS, he only has temp control of 1 family, and they can appeal to a different judge. I agree it must be frustrating for the family. But I dislike HSDLA making it seem, heck even saying outright, "the rights of homeschoolers is being threatened" 


 

KickButtMama
by Shannon on Dec. 25, 2013 at 11:07 PM

It wasn't me, but a dear friend, she was speaking to them about joining and it wasn't a welcoming situation. Since then I've heard of many instances. 

Quoting JKronrod:

 I'm Jewish, and, in fairness, they DID help me a couple of times.  Were you a member when they turned you down?

Quoting KickButtMama:

I agree. I just wish it was a group that helps ALL HS families in need, not just those who fit their religious/political ajenda. They won't and have refused to help those like myself who are members of alternative religions, or those in alternative relationships, etc. I'd swallow the biased articles if they actually assisted all HS families. But I also recognize their right to not support certain lifestyles. 

Quoting kirbymom: I understand your frustrations with this group, but, there needs to be someone to defend the individuals that don't have anyway or anyone to help them when in need. This group does that.


Quoting KickButtMama:

Sigh, I can't stand HSLDA for their histrionics. A family court judge can not make all HS'ers go to PS, he only has temp control of 1 family, and they can appeal to a different judge. I agree it must be frustrating for the family. But I dislike HSDLA making it seem, heck even saying outright, "the rights of homeschoolers is being threatened" 




TidewaterClan
by on Dec. 25, 2013 at 11:10 PM
Probably all of the above. My opinion only. :)

I understand what other ladies are saying about not having the whole story, but he was being downright condescending if he did in fact say the words that are in quotes about socialization - are you going to homeschool through college, etc.


Quoting kirbymom: Yeah, but was the judges decision bent against women or catholics, or maybe both?





Quoting TidewaterClan: I read about this last week. The father had no issue about hs OR Catholicism. The judge seemed to have gone against anything the mother stood for.
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