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Florida Judge Orders Homeschool Children to Attend Public School


The right for parents to educate their children as they desire is under attack. As we have reported previously, homeschooling is growing seven times faster than public schooling, and the U.S. government is progressively taking actions to restrict it. Parents are increasingly keeping their children at home to educate them, avoiding government intrusion into their family lives, which includes mandatory vaccinations, toxic school meals, and questionable educational materials among other things.

Having access to the nation’s children is an economic necessity for the distribution of vaccines and government subsidized food provided to the schools. As public school enrollments decrease, it causes economic hardship on pharmaceutical companies and large commodity processed food corporations.

Prejudice against homeschooled children is still prevalent, as can be seen in this recent case in Florida, where a judge ordered homeschooled children to attend public school. The children had been appointed a guardian by the court in a visitation dispute between their divorced parents. While neither parent had any issues with the children being educated at home, the guardian and judge acted independently and decided for themselves what they deemed best for the children, and ordered them to start attending a public school, even though both parents were committed to raising them Catholic.

Home School Legal Defense Association (HSLDA) has filed an Amicus Brief on behalf of the children. Here is HSLDA’s report from their website:

The mother and father have been fighting over visitation for years, and a scheduled hearing last summer seemed to be just the latest skirmish in the war. A court-appointed psychologist testified that the children were all doing well academically. But at the hearing, the guardian ad litem—appointed by the court to represent the children’s best interest—testified that her “gut reaction” was that the children should be in public school for socialization. The guardian also used the mother’s “ultra Catholic” beliefs as evidence against homeschooling, even though the divorce agreement had mandated that the children be raised Catholic.

Without warning, the judge used the hearing not just to rule on the visitation schedule, but also to order the kids into public school, even though the father had not made education an issue before the hearing. The judge lectured the mother, “When are they going to socialize? Is homeschool going to continue through college and/or professional schooling? At which point are these children going to interact with other children, and isn’t that in their best interest?” With that, the judge changed a long-standing court order permitting homeschooling and ordered the children into the local school.

HSLDA filed a brief arguing that the family should be allowed to continue homeschooling. In our amicus brief, we contended that if the mother had received warning that homeschooling would be at issue, she could have presented a substantial body of evidence that homeschoolers are well-socialized. We pointed to a number of academic studies that show homeschool graduates to be successful college students and adults.

“It is truly unfortunate that after decades of homeschooling, parents are still fighting a battle against ignorance and ‘What about socialization?’” said Jim Mason, HSLDA’s litigation counsel.

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by on Dec. 25, 2013 at 5:18 PM
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JKronrod
by Bronze Member on Dec. 25, 2013 at 11:17 PM
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 The problem is that there have also been severe abuse cases in families that have NOT home schooled, and there have been severe abuse cases in the schools (within the last couple of years we had a spate of those in our local districts, which are considered to be some of the best in our state, as well as a case of severe sexual abuse by a family who was not home schooling).  But if you apply the logic that some apply that would mean that you should not have public schools or should not have institutional schools, which of course is nonsense.  The real question is why one should even be talking about home school oversight and abuse in the same breath.  Educational choices and abuse should not be linked.  The only reason they are is because our particular choice is still outside the mainstream.  Thus, anything that happens is assumed to be caused by the home schooling. 

Quoting KickButtMama:

I completely agree. Hostility and distrust will only breed the same.

Sadly there have been several instances of severe abuse by HS families. I don't believe we should abandon those children just for the sake of more freedom for me. 

Quoting celticdragon77:

So you want zero oversight because some people misuse it?! That is the same logic that makes them want to ban homeschooling!!!

Balance. 

Quoting kirbymom: I'm sure that was the same thought behind the founding of CPS. Now CPS is an out of control group of people that believe they are the only one that have the ability to make good parental decisions. Or what about the Zero Tolerance policies all across this country? We now have kindergartners being expelled. You only need a first time before it will become common place.


Quoting somuchlove4U: I agree. There probably more to the story. I read this before. I don't see it as an attack on all homeschool families. I also don't see it as a state forcing all his kids to go to public school.

Quoting PurpleCupcake:

My opinion will be a little different...yes, what the judge did was wrong...

But I bet that judge has seen those patents fighting for years and at this point I'm sure he doesn't even think they can be effective parents, let alone homeschoolers. 



 

JKronrod
by Bronze Member on Dec. 25, 2013 at 11:20 PM

 I'm not surprised.  As I said, I have a lot of problems with their attitudes, but it's not that they won't help anyone who isn't Christian. 

Quoting KickButtMama:

It wasn't me, but a dear friend, she was speaking to them about joining and it wasn't a welcoming situation. Since then I've heard of many instances. 

Quoting JKronrod:

 I'm Jewish, and, in fairness, they DID help me a couple of times.  Were you a member when they turned you down?

Quoting KickButtMama:

I agree. I just wish it was a group that helps ALL HS families in need, not just those who fit their religious/political ajenda. They won't and have refused to help those like myself who are members of alternative religions, or those in alternative relationships, etc. I'd swallow the biased articles if they actually assisted all HS families. But I also recognize their right to not support certain lifestyles. 

Quoting kirbymom: I understand your frustrations with this group, but, there needs to be someone to defend the individuals that don't have anyway or anyone to help them when in need. This group does that.


Quoting KickButtMama:

Sigh, I can't stand HSLDA for their histrionics. A family court judge can not make all HS'ers go to PS, he only has temp control of 1 family, and they can appeal to a different judge. I agree it must be frustrating for the family. But I dislike HSDLA making it seem, heck even saying outright, "the rights of homeschoolers is being threatened" 


 


 

PurpleCupcake
by Cynthia on Dec. 26, 2013 at 4:32 AM
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Yeah, I know. I'm just saying...these people have pissed off/annoyed a judge...and this was the result.

Was the judge right? No.. but all of this was probably a consequence of their actions. 

And it is possible that they were not socializing those kids and the judge thought that was illegal.

Either way, it's an invalid ruling, which will get overturned.

I just don't think this case is as scary as Ohio. 

Quoting kirbymom: But the parents didn't have an issue over the children's education. The judge could have addressed anything else and been been on the right track with those decisions. But, he didn't. He chose to delve into a a part of the case where there weren't any problems.


Quoting PurpleCupcake:

My opinion will be a little different...yes, what the judge did was wrong...

But I bet that judge has seen those patents fighting for years and at this point I'm sure he doesn't even think they can be effective parents, let alone homeschoolers. 







kirbymom
by Sonja on Dec. 26, 2013 at 9:25 AM
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The judge was definitely not handling the situation correctly, that's for sure. But then again, neither were the parents. If they had been behaving as the adults they are portraying, then they would never would have been in a position where a judge could treat them thusly.


Quoting TidewaterClan: Probably all of the above. My opinion only. :)

I understand what other ladies are saying about not having the whole story, but he was being downright condescending if he did in fact say the words that are in quotes about socialization - are you going to homeschool through college, etc.


Quoting kirbymom: Yeah, but was the judges decision bent against women or catholics, or maybe both?


Quoting TidewaterClan: I read about this last week. The father had no issue about hs OR Catholicism. The judge seemed to have gone against anything the mother stood for.
kirbymom
by Sonja on Dec. 26, 2013 at 9:36 AM
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You are so right. If the two parents were being the adults they are supposed to be, then it is likely that this situation would have never happened.
It is truly sad that adults can't/won't resolve their issues like adults.



Quoting PurpleCupcake:

Yeah, I know. I'm just saying...these people have pissed off/annoyed a judge...and this was the result.

Was the judge right? No.. but all of this was probably a consequence of their actions. 

And it is possible that they were not socializing those kids and the judge thought that was illegal.

Either way, it's an invalid ruling, which will get overturned.

I just don't think this case is as scary as Ohio. 

Quoting kirbymom: But the parents didn't have an issue over the children's education. The judge could have addressed anything else and been been on the right track with those decisions. But, he didn't. He chose to delve into a a part of the case where there weren't any problems.


Quoting PurpleCupcake:

My opinion will be a little different...yes, what the judge did was wrong...

But I bet that judge has seen those patents fighting for years and at this point I'm sure he doesn't even think they can be effective parents, let alone homeschoolers. 

TidewaterClan
by Kate on Dec. 26, 2013 at 9:51 AM

You & Purple are right. He probably hears so many of these custody cases each day where he's making decisions parents should make. He was more than likely fed up. 

Quoting kirbymom: The judge was definitely not handling the situation correctly, that's for sure. But then again, neither were the parents. If they had been behaving as the adults they are portraying, then they would never would have been in a position where a judge could treat them thusly.


Quoting TidewaterClan: Probably all of the above. My opinion only. :)

I understand what other ladies are saying about not having the whole story, but he was being downright condescending if he did in fact say the words that are in quotes about socialization - are you going to homeschool through college, etc.


Quoting kirbymom: Yeah, but was the judges decision bent against women or catholics, or maybe both?


Quoting TidewaterClan: I read about this last week. The father had no issue about hs OR Catholicism. The judge seemed to have gone against anything the mother stood for.


kirbymom
by Sonja on Dec. 26, 2013 at 10:00 AM
Well said.


Quoting JKronrod:

 The problem is that there have also been severe abuse cases in families that have NOT home schooled, and there have been severe abuse cases in the schools (within the last couple of years we had a spate of those in our local districts, which are considered to be some of the best in our state, as well as a case of severe sexual abuse by a family who was not home schooling).  But if you apply the logic that some apply that would mean that you should not have public schools or should not have institutional schools, which of course is nonsense.  The real question is why one should even be talking about home school oversight and abuse in the same breath.  Educational choices and abuse should not be linked.  The only reason they are is because our particular choice is still outside the mainstream.  Thus, anything that happens is assumed to be caused by the home schooling. 


Quoting KickButtMama:

I completely agree. Hostility and distrust will only breed the same.


Sadly there have been several instances of severe abuse by HS families. I don't believe we should abandon those children just for the sake of more freedom for me. 


Quoting celticdragon77:

So you want zero oversight because some people misuse it?! That is the same logic that makes them want to ban homeschooling!!!


Balance. 


Quoting kirbymom: I'm sure that was the same thought behind the founding of CPS. Now CPS is an out of control group of people that believe they are the only one that have the ability to make good parental decisions. Or what about the Zero Tolerance policies all across this country? We now have kindergartners being expelled. You only need a first time before it will become common place.
Quoting somuchlove4U: I agree. There probably more to the story. I read this before. I don't see it as an attack on all homeschool families. I also don't see it as a state forcing all his kids to go to public school.
Quoting PurpleCupcake:

My opinion will be a little different...yes, what the judge did was wrong...


But I bet that judge has seen those patents fighting for years and at this point I'm sure he doesn't even think they can be effective parents, let alone homeschoolers. 




 

debramommyof4
by Silver Member on Dec. 26, 2013 at 11:10 AM
No I do not. It was not what the parents were fighting about so they obviously agreed on that point.

The judge should not have had any reason to decide that.


Quoting kirbymom: So you don't think it was a fair decision, then?





Quoting debramommyof4: I would find a new judge and fight that decision.
kirbymom
by Sonja on Dec. 26, 2013 at 12:13 PM
I agree but I also realize that if these two people had been behaving as the adults they are supposed to be and resolved their differences, they wouldn't have even been in a position where this judge could even make such a stupid decision.


Quoting debramommyof4: No I do not. It was not what the parents were fighting about so they obviously agreed on that point.

The judge should not have had any reason to decide that.


Quoting kirbymom: So you don't think it was a fair decision, then?


Quoting debramommyof4: I would find a new judge and fight that decision.
debramommyof4
by Silver Member on Dec. 26, 2013 at 12:18 PM
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That is very true. My husband and I decided long ago since neither of us would want to be without the kids we would either become roommates or next door neighbors in order to keep the kids lives as stable as possible.

It should be about the children not the adults.


Quoting kirbymom: I agree but I also realize that if these two people had been behaving as the adults they are supposed to be and resolved their differences, they wouldn't have even been in a position where this judge could even make such a stupid decision.





Quoting debramommyof4: No I do not. It was not what the parents were fighting about so they obviously agreed on that point.



The judge should not have had any reason to decide that.




Quoting kirbymom: So you don't think it was a fair decision, then?





Quoting debramommyof4: I would find a new judge and fight that decision.
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