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Schools, Technology and Cancer Links. WWYD?

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I saw this this morning as I signed in. It has weighed on me and I just wondered, are we EVER going to understand things of this magnitude?


If my child was suddenly and unexplainably diagnosed with cancer and died 11 months later, I would be searching high and low for answers that may or may not exist. I would be so heartbroken that I wouldn't know where to turn, what to do with myself, or how to create a positive situation out of a heartbreaking, horrifying one. So I can't fault these parents from New Zealand for blaming the death of their 10-year-old son, who was diagnosed with brain cancer less than one year before he lost his battle with the disease, on their son's school's Wifi and iPad usage. But, in spite of some surprising coincidences that have been revealed, they may be taking things too far by fighting all schools in their district to get rid of technology.

When doctors found tumors on Ethan Wyman's brain, they told his parents they were about 3 months old. The young boy had been issued an iPad as part of his school's 1:1 education initiative 4 months prior to the doctors' discovery. Ethan's father says that, while he doesn't blame the school's technological advancements for causing his son's cancer, he can't help but feel like it's too big a coincidence to ignore.

Ethan's parents are making a big push to the school board to remove all iPads and Wifi connections from local schools. They reportedly have two children who still attend the school, which may explain why they feel passionately about this -- or maybe they are really just trying to do something they feel is positive in order to counter the awful event that very recently shattered their lives.

But the Wyman's may find themselves fighting an impossible battle. Both the New Zealand Ministry of Health and Ministry of Education find no link between Wifi and cancer. And, though we should remain skeptical since a few studies have found a possible link between cell phones and cancer, the majority claim tech is safe enough to use in schools.

We also shouldn't downplay the important role tech is occupying in schools. In this country, Common Core Learning Standards practically require that computers are incorporated into lessons. Students who use devices like iPads have access to a world of information that reaches far beyond their textbooks.

Given the lack of scientific proof here, it seems like the benefits of technology outweigh the possible harmful effects. I feel for these parents and understand why they are making this effort to change their schools, but I'm not sure this is the right battle to fight.

Do you think schools should get rid of technology because of a possible link to cancer?

  

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by on Dec. 27, 2013 at 11:02 AM
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romacox
by Silver Member on Dec. 28, 2013 at 6:32 AM
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Kirbymom, I hope you do not mind the conversation drifting off of the OP.  I apologize to you for that.  

According to Web MD (linked above).  Organic dairy products are the safest, because they have no added hormones, no  added antibiotics, and no pesticides.  Cows naturally have high levels of estrogen in their milk...especially during pregnancy. The larger dairy farms keep their cows pregnant for economic reasons.

According to the examiner, synthetic hormones (rbST) are given to cows in their food to increase the production of milk.  The examiner goes on to say that cows given these synthetic hormones in their food often develop mastitis, and are thus treated with antibiotics.'

The large dairy and beef  farms raise their animals in close quarters as apposed to free roaming range fed.  This increases disease and the need for antibiotics.  Raising animals in close quarters causes all sorts of diseases and parasites. It  is one of the major reasons we are losing our bees. The diseases started with the large conglomerates, but is now spreading to the small bee farmers.

The organic industry has higher standards than do the large grocery story chains when it comes to labeling food as "no added hormones or antibiotics".  But random tests have shown that not all items labeled organic  are so.

Both organic and non organic milk are pasteurized which kills both good bacteria (probiotics) and bad bacteria (like TB).  That is why many doctors are now recommending daily consumption of kefir or yogurt for adults and children.  . 

Personally, I have found that non organic milk spoils faster than the  organic,. I am not sure why that is. 

Quoting hipmomto3:

Two points.

1. We have a friend who is an ER doctor and he will NOT put a cell phone next to his head. He got one of those bright red "Commissioner Gordon" type phones with a cord, that he connects to his cell phone which is about 3 feet away, and he'll use it that way, only.

2. MOST milk, even non-organic, in the US is not produced with synthetic hormones. Even Walmart and Aldi store brands state their farmers do not use bovine growth hormones. 



No one knows what causes most cancers, that is the scary thing. And some people just get them because it's in their genes to get them. 


romacox
by Silver Member on Dec. 28, 2013 at 7:30 AM
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Until more is known, it would be wise to take precautions where possible.  Using devices to keep a distance from the brain and technology, like the cellphone,  would be wise.  We are having an increase in all sorts of things from cancer to learning disabilities that those with simpler lives (like the Amish) do not seem to have. 

Quoting kirbymom: I think the reason there is a link between the use of advanced technology and cancer is because of the radio waves that are being emitted at such close ranges to the human brain. There have been a few cases where when cell phones first came out, that a few people developed cancer,I don't remember where, and even died too I believe. So, since then, there have been concerns and warranted warnings thereafter. The only thing is that makes this look like technology isn't at fault is the fact that there aren't enough cases that have been attributed to this before. Maybe because doctors just aren't looking for this specific type of connection. I don't know. It could be... it could not be. In either case, this is a sad situation for this family.



Quoting jen2150: Cancer is linked more with diet and how you take care of yourself. Cancer is caused by a break down in our immune system. Our immune system is affected by a lot of different things. I know people that have cured their cancer by diet alone. I feel for this family but I think the problem came from elsewhere.


TJandKarasMom
by Debbie on Dec. 28, 2013 at 10:05 AM
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I think the same way as you. There are so many incidents where the government or big corporations have known negative things and have chosen not to share them with the public for YEARS...and usually not until someone "leaks" some information. So I'm not saying wireless Internet/technology causes cancer, but it is a possibility and it's extremely possible that some people know of this and cover it up. The Gardasil vaccine is a perfect example, IMO.

The more I learn, the more I question what I've been taught all my life.

However, we are also a family that has wifi on all the time. I definitely think there is a lot of bad stuff in our food as well that can be linked to cancer, obesity, and other diseases, but not enough people are informed or ready to make the change (we are fairly informed here, but we just ate at Burger King last night...old habits die hard). I also think cancer can be hereditary and some people are just more susceptible to it (I believe the same with autism...I believe there IS a link between autism and vaccines and/or food, but that some kids are just more susceptible than others...I obviously don't know this, but it's my belief from the research and work I've done).

Anyway, I think it's naive to just believe everything we are told...I did for years, and over the past two years or so I have been shocked over and over again at the information I have found out.

Quoting kirbymom: I'm not saying your wrong but, I know that there was cloning going on 10 years before the public was informed about cloning. I also know that in the early 80'a the ability to eave's drop from over a hundred feet from a helicopter was being performed by the military. I know too that the cancer cases in Nevada were over a much longer period of years "before" the information was released to the public and the info that Was released was talking about a much shorter period of time than they want the public to know.

These are just a few that I can remember off the too of my head.



It just leaves room for thought in my opinion. kwim?





Quoting hipmomto3:

If there truly was a link, wouldn't we be seeing an exponential increase in brain cancer rates over the last ten years? And wouldn't it be steadily increasing each year, as more public places provide wifi access, and more people spend time on phones and tablets? I haven't heard of any findings like that. It's very sad what happened to their son and I agree, I'd probably be searching for a solution anywhere I could, but I don't agree that the answer is to eliminate technology from schools.

JKronrod
by Bronze Member on Dec. 28, 2013 at 11:10 AM
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 If we avoided anything that anyone found potentially "scary," we'd still be hiding in caves wondering when the tiger was going to eat us.  "Scary," especially subjective "scary," is a really, really bad metric.

Quoting kirbymom: But it IS scary to think this is a possibility.


Quoting usmom3:

 I agree with this! We have WiFi in our house because the only internet we can get is through wireless so we have signals coming in & getting distributed to all the computers & devices all the time! We never turn off the router so it sends a signal 24-7. I also know we are not the only people to do that, library's, restaurants & book stores offer free wifi all the time!


I am sad for that family but I think they need to be looking else where for the answer!


Quoting debramommyof4: This is exactly how I feel.
Quoting hipmomto3:

If there truly was a link, wouldn't we be seeing an exponential increase in brain cancer rates over the last ten years? And wouldn't it be steadily increasing each year, as more public places provide wifi access, and more people spend time on phones and tablets? I haven't heard of any findings like that. It's very sad what happened to their son and I agree, I'd probably be searching for a solution anywhere I could, but I don't agree that the answer is to eliminate technology from schools.


 

 

romacox
by Silver Member on Dec. 28, 2013 at 11:54 AM
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I agree JanKaraMom.  The FDA knew and covered up the fact that over 9  million people were contaminated by PBB in milk  produced in Michigan.  It was the dairy farmers that took action (killing their cows), and making it known to the public. Over 30 thousand cows had to be killed to protect the public, and the dairy farmers did this on their own.  There is also a  movie about it called "Bitter Harvest."

The FDA,  cattle feed companies, and some dairy farmers wanted it kept secret, because they were afraid it would hurt the industry.  They fought the dairy farmers who wanted to do something about it. 

We witnessed similar events with the Gulf Oil Spill and see food. 

Quoting TJandKarasMom: I think the same way as you. There are so many incidents where the government or big corporations have known negative things and have chosen not to share them with the public for YEARS...and usually not until someone "leaks" some information. So I'm not saying wireless Internet/technology causes cancer, but it is a possibility and it's extremely possible that some people know of this and cover it up. The Gardasil vaccine is a perfect example, IMO.

The more I learn, the more I question what I've been taught all my life.

However, we are also a family that has wifi on all the time. I definitely think there is a lot of bad stuff in our food as well that can be linked to cancer, obesity, and other diseases, but not enough people are informed or ready to make the change (we are fairly informed here, but we just ate at Burger King last night...old habits die hard). I also think cancer can be hereditary and some people are just more susceptible to it (I believe the same with autism...I believe there IS a link between autism and vaccines and/or food, but that some kids are just more susceptible than others...I obviously don't know this, but it's my belief from the research and work I've done).

Anyway, I think it's naive to just believe everything we are told...I did for years, and over the past two years or so I have been shocked over and over again at the information I have found out.

Quoting kirbymom: I'm not saying your wrong but, I know that there was cloning going on 10 years before the public was informed about cloning. I also know that in the early 80'a the ability to eave's drop from over a hundred feet from a helicopter was being performed by the military. I know too that the cancer cases in Nevada were over a much longer period of years "before" the information was released to the public and the info that Was released was talking about a much shorter period of time than they want the public to know.

These are just a few that I can remember off the too of my head.



It just leaves room for thought in my opinion. kwim?





Quoting hipmomto3:

If there truly was a link, wouldn't we be seeing an exponential increase in brain cancer rates over the last ten years? And wouldn't it be steadily increasing each year, as more public places provide wifi access, and more people spend time on phones and tablets? I haven't heard of any findings like that. It's very sad what happened to their son and I agree, I'd probably be searching for a solution anywhere I could, but I don't agree that the answer is to eliminate technology from schools.


kirbymom
by Sonja on Dec. 28, 2013 at 12:27 PM
I don't mind at all. In fact, I'm enjoying this conversation thoroughly. :)


Quoting romacox:

Kirbymom, I hope you do not mind the conversation drifting off of the OP.  I apologize to you for that.  

According to Web MD (linked above).  Organic dairy products are the safest, because they have no added hormones, no  added antibiotics, and no pesticides.  Cows naturally have high levels of estrogen in their milk...especially during pregnancy. The larger dairy farms keep their cows pregnant for economic reasons.

According to the examiner, synthetic hormones (rbST) are given to cows in their food to increase the production of milk.  The examiner goes on to say that cows given these synthetic hormones in their food often develop mastitis, and are thus treated with antibiotics.'

The large dairy and beef  farms raise their animals in close quarters as apposed to free roaming range fed.  This increases disease and the need for antibiotics.  Raising animals in close quarters causes all sorts of diseases and parasites. It  is one of the major reasons we are losing our bees. The diseases started with the large conglomerates, but is now spreading to the small bee farmers.

The organic industry has higher standards than do the large grocery story chains when it comes to labeling food as "no added hormones or antibiotics".  But random tests have shown that not all items labeled organic  are so.

Both organic and non organic milk are pasteurized which kills both good bacteria (probiotics) and bad bacteria (like TB).  That is why many doctors are now recommending daily consumption of kefir or yogurt for adults and children.  . 

Personally, I have found that non organic milk spoils faster than the  organic,. I am not sure why that is. 

Quoting hipmomto3:

Two points.

1. We have a friend who is an ER doctor and he will NOT put a cell phone next to his head. He got one of those bright red "Commissioner Gordon" type phones with a cord, that he connects to his cell phone which is about 3 feet away, and he'll use it that way, only.

2. MOST milk, even non-organic, in the US is not produced with synthetic hormones. Even Walmart and Aldi store brands state their farmers do not use bovine growth hormones. 

No one knows what causes most cancers, that is the scary thing. And some people just get them because it's in their genes to get them. 

kirbymom
by Sonja on Dec. 28, 2013 at 1:04 PM
Okay. So, maybe scary isn't the "right" word. Maybe the more appropriate word should be "concerned".
In either case, this is something that should be watched and researched consistently, so as to be on too of any issues that may or may not arise.


Quoting JKronrod:

 If we avoided anything that anyone found potentially "scary," we'd still be hiding in caves wondering when the tiger was going to eat us.  "Scary," especially subjective "scary," is a really, really bad metric.


Quoting kirbymom: But it IS scary to think this is a possibility.



Quoting usmom3:

 I agree with this! We have WiFi in our house because the only internet we can get is through wireless so we have signals coming in & getting distributed to all the computers & devices all the time! We never turn off the router so it sends a signal 24-7. I also know we are not the only people to do that, library's, restaurants & book stores offer free wifi all the time!


I am sad for that family but I think they need to be looking else where for the answer!


Quoting debramommyof4: This is exactly how I feel.
Quoting hipmomto3:

If there truly was a link, wouldn't we be seeing an exponential increase in brain cancer rates over the last ten years? And wouldn't it be steadily increasing each year, as more public places provide wifi access, and more people spend time on phones and tablets? I haven't heard of any findings like that. It's very sad what happened to their son and I agree, I'd probably be searching for a solution anywhere I could, but I don't agree that the answer is to eliminate technology from schools.


 


 

romacox
by Silver Member on Dec. 28, 2013 at 1:12 PM
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I am glad you feel that way.  I too enjoy it when conversations take their natural course.  But some people get very angry when the thread does not stay on the OP. 

Quoting kirbymom: I don't mind at all. In fact, I'm enjoying this conversation thoroughly. :)


Quoting romacox:

Kirbymom, I hope you do not mind the conversation drifting off of the OP.  I apologize to you for that.  

According to Web MD (linked above).  Organic dairy products are the safest, because they have no added hormones, no  added antibiotics, and no pesticides.  Cows naturally have high levels of estrogen in their milk...especially during pregnancy. The larger dairy farms keep their cows pregnant for economic reasons.

According to the examiner, synthetic hormones (rbST) are given to cows in their food to increase the production of milk.  The examiner goes on to say that cows given these synthetic hormones in their food often develop mastitis, and are thus treated with antibiotics.'

The large dairy and beef  farms raise their animals in close quarters as apposed to free roaming range fed.  This increases disease and the need for antibiotics.  Raising animals in close quarters causes all sorts of diseases and parasites. It  is one of the major reasons we are losing our bees. The diseases started with the large conglomerates, but is now spreading to the small bee farmers.

The organic industry has higher standards than do the large grocery story chains when it comes to labeling food as "no added hormones or antibiotics".  But random tests have shown that not all items labeled organic  are so.

Both organic and non organic milk are pasteurized which kills both good bacteria (probiotics) and bad bacteria (like TB).  That is why many doctors are now recommending daily consumption of kefir or yogurt for adults and children.  . 

Personally, I have found that non organic milk spoils faster than the  organic,. I am not sure why that is. 

Quoting hipmomto3:

Two points.

1. We have a friend who is an ER doctor and he will NOT put a cell phone next to his head. He got one of those bright red "Commissioner Gordon" type phones with a cord, that he connects to his cell phone which is about 3 feet away, and he'll use it that way, only.

2. MOST milk, even non-organic, in the US is not produced with synthetic hormones. Even Walmart and Aldi store brands state their farmers do not use bovine growth hormones. 



No one knows what causes most cancers, that is the scary thing. And some people just get them because it's in their genes to get them. 



kirbymom
by Sonja on Dec. 28, 2013 at 1:27 PM
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I am in the same place right now and agree with your assessment of this as well. I had to learn this stuff the hard way when we found out our oldest had cancer at three. Only the supposed cause was from hard surface and carpet cleaning supplies. Combined with the chemicals found in our foods as well as genetics playing it's part too. The Dr's said that if we had lived elsewhere that the cancer may have never been an issue. Who knows. I'm just thankful that I am more informed about such things or who knows what uninformed decision I would make otherwise.


Quoting TJandKarasMom: I think the same way as you. There are so many incidents where the government or big corporations have known negative things and have chosen not to share them with the public for YEARS...and usually not until someone "leaks" some information. So I'm not saying wireless Internet/technology causes cancer, but it is a possibility and it's extremely possible that some people know of this and cover it up. The Gardasil vaccine is a perfect example, IMO.

The more I learn, the more I question what I've been taught all my life.

However, we are also a family that has wifi on all the time. I definitely think there is a lot of bad stuff in our food as well that can be linked to cancer, obesity, and other diseases, but not enough people are informed or ready to make the change (we are fairly informed here, but we just ate at Burger King last night...old habits die hard). I also think cancer can be hereditary and some people are just more susceptible to it (I believe the same with autism...I believe there IS a link between autism and vaccines and/or food, but that some kids are just more susceptible than others...I obviously don't know this, but it's my belief from the research and work I've done).

Anyway, I think it's naive to just believe everything we are told...I did for years, and over the past two years or so I have been shocked over and over again at the information I have found out.

Quoting kirbymom: I'm not saying your wrong but, I know that there was cloning going on 10 years before the public was informed about cloning. I also know that in the early 80'a the ability to eave's drop from over a hundred feet from a helicopter was being performed by the military. I know too that the cancer cases in Nevada were over a much longer period of years "before" the information was released to the public and the info that Was released was talking about a much shorter period of time than they want the public to know.
These are just a few that I can remember off the too of my head.

It just leaves room for thought in my opinion. kwim?


Quoting hipmomto3:

If there truly was a link, wouldn't we be seeing an exponential increase in brain cancer rates over the last ten years? And wouldn't it be steadily increasing each year, as more public places provide wifi access, and more people spend time on phones and tablets? I haven't heard of any findings like that. It's very sad what happened to their son and I agree, I'd probably be searching for a solution anywhere I could, but I don't agree that the answer is to eliminate technology from schools.

usmom3
by BJ on Dec. 28, 2013 at 2:31 PM
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 Yes it is scary to think that the things we take for granted could be killing us!

Quoting kirbymom: But it IS scary to think this is a possibility.


Quoting usmom3:

 I agree with this! We have WiFi in our house because the only internet we can get is through wireless so we have signals coming in & getting distributed to all the computers & devices all the time! We never turn off the router so it sends a signal 24-7. I also know we are not the only people to do that, library's, restaurants & book stores offer free wifi all the time!


I am sad for that family but I think they need to be looking else where for the answer!


Quoting debramommyof4: This is exactly how I feel.
Quoting hipmomto3:

If there truly was a link, wouldn't we be seeing an exponential increase in brain cancer rates over the last ten years? And wouldn't it be steadily increasing each year, as more public places provide wifi access, and more people spend time on phones and tablets? I haven't heard of any findings like that. It's very sad what happened to their son and I agree, I'd probably be searching for a solution anywhere I could, but I don't agree that the answer is to eliminate technology from schools.


 

 

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