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I'm going to watch, are you? My daughter wants to but I'm not sure she should.

Posted by on Jan. 31, 2014 at 3:32 PM
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The BIG DEBATE!

Bill Nye vs Ken Ham. Evolution vs Creation

by on Jan. 31, 2014 at 3:32 PM
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mem82
by Platinum Member on Jan. 31, 2014 at 3:33 PM

We believe in evolution through creation. I don't know if my 12 year old should go to a friend's debate party. We are sort of the odd man out in this debate. LOL

mem82
by Platinum Member on Jan. 31, 2014 at 3:34 PM


Ham-on-Nye debate pits atheists, creationists

Bill Nye may be “The Science Guy,” but Ken Ham is the “Answers in Genesis” man, and a debate between the two over the origins of life has nonbelievers and Christians wringing their hands.

Nye, host of a beloved television science series, and Ham, president of a creationist apologetics ministry, will meet at the Creation Museum, where Ham is also the president, on Feb. 4. In what some wags are calling “the Ham-on-Nye debate,” they will weigh this question: “Is creation a viable model of origins?”

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In truth, both sides answered that question long ago — Nye with Charles Darwin’s work on the origin of species and Ham with the first book of the Bible. Yet many observers — both religious and nonreligious — say the debate is a very bad idea.

“Scientists should not debate creationists. Period,” wrote Dan Arel on the Richard Dawkins Foundation’s website. “There is nothing to debate.”

Arel, a secular advocate, is echoing the position of Dawkins, an evolutionary biologist and outspoken atheist who has long refused to debate creationists.

“Winning is not what the creationists realistically aspire to,” Dawkins said in 2006. “For them, it is sufficient that the debate happens at all. They need the publicity. We don’t. To the gullible public which is their natural constituency, it is enough that their man is seen sharing a platform with a real scientist.”

In a twist that might surprise Ham and Nye, some Christians find themselves agreeing with Dawkins.

“It is this huge stereotype that all Christians reject science and an event like this reinforces that stereotype,” said Deborah Haarsma, president of the BioLogos Foundation, an organization whose motto is “science and faith in harmony.” ‘’It looks like science versus Christianity and it ignores the people who have accepted the science of evolution and have not let go of their faith.”

And that is a considerable number of people. A 2013 Pew Research Center poll found 60 percent of Americans believe “humans have evolved over time” while 33 percent reject that statement. Of those who believe in evolution, 24 percent say they also believe “a supreme being” used evolution to create life forms.

“A debate like this sets up a false choice” between science and religion for viewers, Haarsma said. “We don’t want them to have to choose.”

Other Christians are concerned that Nye, an inexperienced debater with a background in engineering, will not perform well against Ham, a skilled debater. Tyler Francke, a 25-year-old Christian who writes about the intersection of science and religion at the blog The God Evolution, said he knows many “young Earth creationists,” as Ham and his supporters are called, and that the presentation of scientific evidence alone is not enough to persuade them.

“Young-Earth proponents like Ham have all kinds of tricks they play to make their view seem reasonable,” he said. “They claim they don’t ignore evidence they just look at it with a different lens. . Bill Nye seems to be a very smart man, and I’m confident that he’ll come prepared. But if he shows up expecting a fair fight purely on the basis of what the available evidence most reasonably indicates, I think he’s going to be sorely mistaken.”

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Silverkitty
by Bronze Member on Jan. 31, 2014 at 3:35 PM

We are the same.  My husband and daughter believe in evolution through creation.  I'm undecided and my son is to young to make up his mind.

We are also the family where I am pagan, my daughter is Christian, my husband is undecided and again our son is to young.

Quoting mem82:

We believe in evolution through creation. I don't know if my 12 year old should go to a friend's debate party. We are sort of the odd man out in this debate. LOL


mem82
by Platinum Member on Jan. 31, 2014 at 3:36 PM

Are interested in watching this debate?

Quoting Silverkitty:

We are the same.  My husband and daughter believe in evolution through creation.  I'm undecided and my son is to young to make up his mind.

We are also the family where I am pagan, my daughter is Christian, my husband is undecided and again our son is to young.

Quoting mem82:

We believe in evolution through creation. I don't know if my 12 year old should go to a friend's debate party. We are sort of the odd man out in this debate. LOL



Silverkitty
by Bronze Member on Jan. 31, 2014 at 3:41 PM

Once I show it to hubby, if he hasn't already heard about it, he will be.  My daughter doesn't really like debates.  I enjoy them and this one is very interesting.

Quoting mem82:

Are interested in watching this debate?

Quoting Silverkitty:

We are the same.  My husband and daughter believe in evolution through creation.  I'm undecided and my son is to young to make up his mind.

We are also the family where I am pagan, my daughter is Christian, my husband is undecided and again our son is to young.

Quoting mem82:

We believe in evolution through creation. I don't know if my 12 year old should go to a friend's debate party. We are sort of the odd man out in this debate. LOL




mem82
by Platinum Member on Jan. 31, 2014 at 3:44 PM

I hope it will be lively. I am not sure this is something that can be debated very well in this type of setting.

Quoting Silverkitty:

Once I show it to hubby, if he hasn't already heard about it, he will be.  My daughter doesn't really like debates.  I enjoy them and this one is very interesting.

Quoting mem82:

Are interested in watching this debate?

Quoting Silverkitty:

We are the same.  My husband and daughter believe in evolution through creation.  I'm undecided and my son is to young to make up his mind.

We are also the family where I am pagan, my daughter is Christian, my husband is undecided and again our son is to young.

Quoting mem82:

We believe in evolution through creation. I don't know if my 12 year old should go to a friend's debate party. We are sort of the odd man out in this debate. LOL





KickButtMama
by Shannon on Jan. 31, 2014 at 3:51 PM
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Wait, why haven't I heard about this? I  love Bill Nye! When is the debate? 

mem82
by Platinum Member on Jan. 31, 2014 at 3:56 PM

It's Tuesday. You can stream it online. 8) Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill Nye the Science Guy!

Quoting KickButtMama:

Wait, why haven't I heard about this? I  love Bill Nye! When is the debate? 


somuchlove4U
by Bronze Member on Jan. 31, 2014 at 4:05 PM
We are hoping to watch it. If I can remember.
mem82
by Platinum Member on Jan. 31, 2014 at 4:17 PM
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Set a phone alarm. LOL

Quoting somuchlove4U: We are hoping to watch it. If I can remember.


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