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Homeschooling is not a basic right? ~sfag Update

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Here's an update

Today, a Supervisor with the Department of Homeland Security called a member of our legal team to inform us that the Romeike family has been granted "indefinite deferred status". This means that the Romeikes can stay in the United States permanently (unless they are convicted of a crime, etc.)

Supreme Court rejects asylum bid for German home-schooling family



By Sarah Pulliam Bailey | Religion News Service, Published: March 3

The Supreme Court on Monday (March 3) declined to hear an appeal from a family seeking asylum in the United States because home schooling is not allowed in their native Germany.

The case involves Uwe and Hannelore Romeike, Christians who believe German schools would have a bad influence on their six children. The family’s case became a rallying point for many American Christians.



As is their custom, the justices on the high court declined to give a reason for not hearing the case.

Michael Farris, chairman of the Home School Legal Defense Association that represents the family, said the group would pursue legislation in Congress to allow the family to stay. But the Romeikes will likely face deportation.

“The court’s decision is not a decision on the merits of the case — however, it was the last judicial hope for the family,” Farris said in a statement. “Even now, we have been working with supportive members of Congress to introduce legislation that could help the Romeikes and others who flee persecution.”

HSLDA helped the Romeikes leave Germany in 2008 after they were threatened with jail time and losing custody of their children. The Romeikes are evangelical Christians, and say they should be allowed to keep their children home to teach them Christian values.

An immigration judge in Tennessee granted the Romeikes’ bid in 2010, but the Board of Immigration Appeals overturned the ruling in 2012, arguing that religious home-schoolers don’t face any special threats.

The family lost their appeal in federal court in May 2013. The U.S. grants safe haven to people who have a well-founded fear of persecution, but not necessarily to those under governments with laws that differ from those in the U.S., Judge Jeffrey Sutton wrote in the court’s decision.

“The German authorities have not singled out the Romeikes in particular or homeschoolers in general for persecution,” Sutton wrote.

In August 2013, the White House declined to comment on the case in response to an online petition.




http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/supreme-court-rejects-asylum-bid-for-german-home-schooling-family/2014/03/03/06a987e8-a31b-11e3-b865-38b254d92063_story.html




My question is...why this family? Why are people fighting so hard to let illegal immigrants stay in the country but this family, who appears to have done things the right way, are being forced out? I have read a few articles on this family and I have yet to understand why the government is working so hard to make them leave.

by on Mar. 4, 2014 at 11:16 AM
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paganbaby
by Silver Member on Mar. 4, 2014 at 8:31 PM

I didn't write any of the OP btw and I agree with you. My own Tia fled Mexico with her daughters to escape abuse and poverty. She married my uncle to stay here buut if she had done it illegally it still wouldn't change my opinion.


Quoting mem82:

Also, most illegal immigrants are fleeing dire poverty, terrible, terrible poverty, not poor education standards.

Most were brought here as babies or children. They feel they are Americans because they've been in America their entire lives. Of course they want to stay. This is an entirely different situation.

Also, I don't know where you are at but I know most around here want the 'illegals' sent back and aren't voting to let them stay.




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paganbaby
by Silver Member on Mar. 4, 2014 at 8:36 PM
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I like to think that we do.

I can't imagine my son being forced to go to school. I didn't start home schooling because i felt like it; I exhauseted all other possibilities before I made this choice. It's scary that any government could have so much say over how we raise our kids.

Quoting kirbymom: Then the question should now be.... Do we as human beings have *natural* rights no matter where we are born?




I will not have a temper tantrum nor stomp across the floor.


I will not pout, scream or shout or kick against the door.

I will not throw my food around nor pick upon another.

I’ll always try to be real good because I am the mother.

I am the mother.

I am the mother.














paganbaby
by Silver Member on Mar. 4, 2014 at 8:38 PM

That;s great!

Quoting mem82:

Here's an update

Today, a Supervisor with the Department of Homeland Security called a member of our legal team to inform us that the Romeike family has been granted "indefinite deferred status". This means that the Romeikes can stay in the United States permanently (unless they are convicted of a crime, etc.)




I will not have a temper tantrum nor stomp across the floor.


I will not pout, scream or shout or kick against the door.

I will not throw my food around nor pick upon another.

I’ll always try to be real good because I am the mother.

I am the mother.

I am the mother.














JKronrod
by Bronze Member on Mar. 4, 2014 at 10:27 PM
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I think the situation was a bit more complicated.  For one thing, they might not have been allowed to leave with the children if they had been forced by the German government to "give in" on the homeschooling issue.  IOW, they were taking a risk that the government would claim additional control over the children if they waited to apply.   

Now, I happen to agree with the poster who pointed out that having a precedent that all home schoolers could get asylum is probably not a good thing (and I speak as a home schooling parent), which is undoubtedly why the SC declined to take the case.  Their decision allows an exception to be made for this family (having "deferred" status) while not providing a broad 'sure thing' for any home schoolers. 

Quoting mem82:

That's what so sad about this case. They had plenty of sponsors, the dad has work, they are good people. A green card or visa would not have been hard to get.

Quoting TidewaterClan:

Good thoughts Mem.  That would have been the smarter route for them all along.  It's too bad they didn't do that in the first place.

Quoting mem82:

Well, as of yesterday, all else did fail and I do feel that they will go for a visa or green card especially with the new baby.

Quoting Precious333: Good point. I wonder though if they wentbthat route after all else had failed?
Quoting mem82:

If this family had chosen to go the normal route to get citizenship or a green card they would have been able to do this. They CHOOSE to go for asylum. Asylum is supposed to be for people that are in actual mortal danger or at least risk of great bodily harm. Because the lawyers they got, and they people they hang out with wanted to have an agenda not based on the specific needs of this family, they are now facing deportation.

 

mem82
by Platinum Member on Mar. 4, 2014 at 10:29 PM

;) I was the one who talked about precedent. LOL I had a lot to say on the subject. The way I understood it, they came here and then applied so the children were already out of German hands.

Quoting JKronrod:

I think the situation was a bit more complicated.  For one thing, they might not have been allowed to leave with the children if they had been forced by the German government to "give in" on the homeschooling issue.  IOW, they were taking a risk that the government would claim additional control over the children if they waited to apply.   

Now, I happen to agree with the poster who pointed out that having a precedent that all home schoolers could get asylum is probably not a good thing (and I speak as a home schooling parent), which is undoubtedly why the SC declined to take the case.  Their decision allows an exception to be made for this family (having "deferred" status) while not providing a broad 'sure thing' for any home schoolers. 

Quoting mem82:

That's what so sad about this case. They had plenty of sponsors, the dad has work, they are good people. A green card or visa would not have been hard to get.

Quoting TidewaterClan:

Good thoughts Mem.  That would have been the smarter route for them all along.  It's too bad they didn't do that in the first place.

Quoting mem82:

Well, as of yesterday, all else did fail and I do feel that they will go for a visa or green card especially with the new baby.

Quoting Precious333: Good point. I wonder though if they wentbthat route after all else had failed?
Quoting mem82:

If this family had chosen to go the normal route to get citizenship or a green card they would have been able to do this. They CHOOSE to go for asylum. Asylum is supposed to be for people that are in actual mortal danger or at least risk of great bodily harm. Because the lawyers they got, and they people they hang out with wanted to have an agenda not based on the specific needs of this family, they are now facing deportation.



JKronrod
by Bronze Member on Mar. 4, 2014 at 11:51 PM

 Yes, but to apply for residency you normally have to apply outside the U.S. -- usually in your home country. They were already under scrutiny by the German government.  Again, if they had waited, they were potentially taking a risk. 

Quoting mem82:

;) I was the one who talked about precedent. LOL I had a lot to say on the subject. The way I understood it, they came here and then applied so the children were already out of German hands.

Quoting JKronrod:

I think the situation was a bit more complicated.  For one thing, they might not have been allowed to leave with the children if they had been forced by the German government to "give in" on the homeschooling issue.  IOW, they were taking a risk that the government would claim additional control over the children if they waited to apply.   

Now, I happen to agree with the poster who pointed out that having a precedent that all home schoolers could get asylum is probably not a good thing (and I speak as a home schooling parent), which is undoubtedly why the SC declined to take the case.  Their decision allows an exception to be made for this family (having "deferred" status) while not providing a broad 'sure thing' for any home schoolers. 

Quoting mem82:

That's what so sad about this case. They had plenty of sponsors, the dad has work, they are good people. A green card or visa would not have been hard to get.

Quoting TidewaterClan:

Good thoughts Mem.  That would have been the smarter route for them all along.  It's too bad they didn't do that in the first place.

Quoting mem82:

Well, as of yesterday, all else did fail and I do feel that they will go for a visa or green card especially with the new baby.

Quoting Precious333: Good point. I wonder though if they wentbthat route after all else had failed?
Quoting mem82:

If this family had chosen to go the normal route to get citizenship or a green card they would have been able to do this. They CHOOSE to go for asylum. Asylum is supposed to be for people that are in actual mortal danger or at least risk of great bodily harm. Because the lawyers they got, and they people they hang out with wanted to have an agenda not based on the specific needs of this family, they are now facing deportation.

 

 

coala
by Silver Member on Mar. 5, 2014 at 10:10 AM

I am happy to hear that they do have a deffered status.

paganbaby
by Silver Member on Mar. 5, 2014 at 11:07 AM

Me too :-)

Quoting coala:

I am happy to hear that they do have a deffered status.




I will not have a temper tantrum nor stomp across the floor.


I will not pout, scream or shout or kick against the door.

I will not throw my food around nor pick upon another.

I’ll always try to be real good because I am the mother.

I am the mother.

I am the mother.














bluerooffarm
by Gold Member on Mar. 5, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Here's my question.... why here?  Why America?  According to the Schengen Agreement a family can move around Europe without really needing Visas or anything (correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe 26 countries signed that agreement in the 90's).  There are countries in the EU that are very homeschooling friendly (Belgium, Austria and Poland are all bordering countries with lots of German co-ops etc to choose from).  They just seemed to want international coverage for this.

Quoting JKronrod:

 Yes, but to apply for residency you normally have to apply outside the U.S. -- usually in your home country. They were already under scrutiny by the German government.  Again, if they had waited, they were potentially taking a risk. 

Quoting mem82:

;) I was the one who talked about precedent. LOL I had a lot to say on the subject. The way I understood it, they came here and then applied so the children were already out of German hands.

Quoting JKronrod:

I think the situation was a bit more complicated.  For one thing, they might not have been allowed to leave with the children if they had been forced by the German government to "give in" on the homeschooling issue.  IOW, they were taking a risk that the government would claim additional control over the children if they waited to apply.   

Now, I happen to agree with the poster who pointed out that having a precedent that all home schoolers could get asylum is probably not a good thing (and I speak as a home schooling parent), which is undoubtedly why the SC declined to take the case.  Their decision allows an exception to be made for this family (having "deferred" status) while not providing a broad 'sure thing' for any home schoolers. 

Quoting mem82:

That's what so sad about this case. They had plenty of sponsors, the dad has work, they are good people. A green card or visa would not have been hard to get.

Quoting TidewaterClan:

Good thoughts Mem.  That would have been the smarter route for them all along.  It's too bad they didn't do that in the first place.

Quoting mem82:

Well, as of yesterday, all else did fail and I do feel that they will go for a visa or green card especially with the new baby.

Quoting Precious333: Good point. I wonder though if they wentbthat route after all else had failed?
Quoting mem82:

If this family had chosen to go the normal route to get citizenship or a green card they would have been able to do this. They CHOOSE to go for asylum. Asylum is supposed to be for people that are in actual mortal danger or at least risk of great bodily harm. Because the lawyers they got, and they people they hang out with wanted to have an agenda not based on the specific needs of this family, they are now facing deportation.




paganbaby
by Silver Member on Mar. 5, 2014 at 11:12 AM
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I heard they had people out here that helped them financially. I'm sure it must be very expensive to move to another country.

Quoting bluerooffarm:

Here's my question.... why here?  Why America?  According to the Schengen Agreement a family can move around Europe without really needing Visas or anything (correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe 26 countries signed that agreement in the 90's).  There are countries in the EU that are very homeschooling friendly (Belgium, Austria and Poland are all bordering countries with lots of German co-ops etc to choose from).  They just seemed to want international coverage for this.

Quoting JKronrod:

 Yes, but to apply for residency you normally have to apply outside the U.S. -- usually in your home country. They were already under scrutiny by the German government.  Again, if they had waited, they were potentially taking a risk. 

Quoting mem82:

;) I was the one who talked about precedent. LOL I had a lot to say on the subject. The way I understood it, they came here and then applied so the children were already out of German hands.

Quoting JKronrod:

I think the situation was a bit more complicated.  For one thing, they might not have been allowed to leave with the children if they had been forced by the German government to "give in" on the homeschooling issue.  IOW, they were taking a risk that the government would claim additional control over the children if they waited to apply.   

Now, I happen to agree with the poster who pointed out that having a precedent that all home schoolers could get asylum is probably not a good thing (and I speak as a home schooling parent), which is undoubtedly why the SC declined to take the case.  Their decision allows an exception to be made for this family (having "deferred" status) while not providing a broad 'sure thing' for any home schoolers. 

Quoting mem82:

That's what so sad about this case. They had plenty of sponsors, the dad has work, they are good people. A green card or visa would not have been hard to get.

Quoting TidewaterClan:

Good thoughts Mem.  That would have been the smarter route for them all along.  It's too bad they didn't do that in the first place.

Quoting mem82:

Well, as of yesterday, all else did fail and I do feel that they will go for a visa or green card especially with the new baby.

Quoting Precious333: Good point. I wonder though if they wentbthat route after all else had failed?
Quoting mem82:

If this family had chosen to go the normal route to get citizenship or a green card they would have been able to do this. They CHOOSE to go for asylum. Asylum is supposed to be for people that are in actual mortal danger or at least risk of great bodily harm. Because the lawyers they got, and they people they hang out with wanted to have an agenda not based on the specific needs of this family, they are now facing deportation.






I will not have a temper tantrum nor stomp across the floor.


I will not pout, scream or shout or kick against the door.

I will not throw my food around nor pick upon another.

I’ll always try to be real good because I am the mother.

I am the mother.

I am the mother.














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