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2 yr old and Suspension ... In the same Breath !?

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2-Year-Old Suspended From Daycare Over Cheese Sandwich
Every parent has had it happen to them at one time or another: give your kid some food and think that they ate it only to find it in the car, in the toy box, or in a pocket days later.
It's exactly what happened to a dad in Canada, and it ended in a suspension for his toddler daughter.
According to The Huffington Post, Randy Murray gave his two-year-old a cheese sandwich to eat before leaving for her daycare. He didn't realize she decided to keep it and tucked it away somewhere for later snacking.
Administrators at Centre de l'Enfant Aux 4 vents in Ottawa brought the hammer down on the little girl for violating a "no outside food" policy. Bring food to school, and you're out for three days. If the food has peanuts, students can be expelled.
Regardless of the policy, Murray is upset he didn't just get a warning.
"They freaked out." He told the Ottawa Sun. "If I got a warning, I'd admit my mistake and move on. But it seems they want to penalize the parents. There's no logic to it. I'm going to the media because I think people have to speak up when something's fishy."
Nothing's fishy, Mr. Murray. While suspension may seem extreme, the daycare has the policy in place likely because several children have severe food allergies. Know what can happen as a result? Death. Death isn't fishy or illogical. It's pretty clear cut.
Related: 15 things you should NEVER do with a toddler
The daycare director confirms the policy is in place for a reason. "We do have children with multiple allergies, and the parents are more than happy that we have all these things in place to protect the children."
I'll admit, I didn't really understand the gravity of food allergies and how intense having a child who is allergic to things can be for parents until I met a really great couple with a daughter who is allergic to a lot of foods, including peanuts. Seeing what her parents go through to keep her safe and imagining the stress they must feel when they can't be there to watch what she eats must be overwhelming. Think about it: every day they have to send their daughter off into the world knowing that simply coming into contact with a commonplace food item could seriously hurt her. I would be a wreck.
That's why when the day I packed peanut butter crackers in my daughter's preschool snack box earned me a strict talking to, I didn't mind for one second. It's easy to see how one careless move on my part could have resulted in tragedy for another family. Thank god for allergy awareness and vigilant teachers. While I understand the cheese sandwich was an oversight and that suspension is harsh, Murray should understand that it's because food allergies are serious business. He apparently doesn't see it that way and says he's looking for new childcare options for his children.

What do you think? Is the school being too harsh over what was an accident or is the suspension a great wake up call for someone who clearly isn't taking food allergies seriously?



Are the above questions valid?
Why or or why not ?

by on Mar. 14, 2014 at 3:40 PM
Replies (11-20):
KickButtMama
by Shannon on Mar. 14, 2014 at 8:30 PM

 I agree...lol...I agree it's difficult to strip search your toddler every day before daycare...lol... So I can see both sides of the issue. Immediately, our instinct is to see it as an absurd thing, to punish toddlers. But once you think about it it seems a little harsh, but not out of the realm of possibility. Especially if this daycare has had a child have a severe reaction there in the past.

Quoting kirbymom: This policy is a great policy but there should be a warning system in place. I mean, these are 2 yr olds. Not the best of listeners just yet.
Quoting collinsmommy0: With a child with severe food allergies, I think that's a great policy for the school to have. A 3 day suspension? Ummm a little to severe IMO. If the child was older (10 maybe?) and understood the rules, then I'd say send them home for the day. But a toddler or preschool doesn't understand those rules.

 

KickButtMama
by Shannon on Mar. 14, 2014 at 8:32 PM

 I would assume the rules were listed somewhere, even if it was in the fine print of his agreement. I can't imagine they never stipulated their food policy anywhere before this.

Quoting kirbymom: I agree, if he knew?
Quoting KickButtMama:

I don't see it as a punishment for the intentional breaking of rules. Instead it's saying they need to take the rules seriously. Because once a place puts such strict rules/punishments in place they become legally liable if a student gets ill/dies due to a reaction from some stray item in their establishment. So they can be sued. I personally think a warning is best, but he agreed to the rules.

Quoting kirbymom: I can see where you're coming from but don't you think there should have been a warning first then the. suspension?
Quoting KickButtMama:

I can see why the father cried foul. But the daycare has a clearly defined policy. They are in charge of the health and safety of ALL the children in their care. If this fathers child was the one with a food allergy, he would be very unhappy to find out the daycare he chose because of their strict food policy, didn't follow through. If the father doesn't like the harsh line the daycare has on food, then he should choose a different one...rather than whining to the press...IMO.

 

mem82
by Platinum Member on Mar. 14, 2014 at 8:33 PM

I think it's a more than a bit harsh. I would have maybe sent the toddler home for the day if it was a first offense.

mem82
by Platinum Member on Mar. 14, 2014 at 8:33 PM

Maybe this guy was constantly pressing the rules and the daycare had had enough.

Kaya529
by Member on Mar. 14, 2014 at 8:36 PM
I was going to put DS into public schools at some point in elementary school but this article is the straw that broke the camels back. I am done with the school system and prioritizing one set of students over another. When it get's to the point where a 2 year old is being suspended for something that is common place for a 2 year old to do that is ridiculous. I am sick of them throwing kids out of school over dumb shit. Soon we are going to be homeschooling anyways because these policies are getting worse and worse with stricter and stricter punishments. I am done. I am just going to homeschool him and I don't have to worry about it.
kirbymom
by Sonja on Mar. 14, 2014 at 8:36 PM
Those were my thoughts too. But, to be fair, not every parent puts these type of rules and forethought as a high priority.

Quoting usmom3:

 I would bet a lot of money that if he knew she did not eat the sandwich he would have taken it from her before taking her in to the daycare! Most parents don't want to run the risk of something like this happening because of the problems it will cause with their jobs!


Quoting kirbymom: My question would be this... How is he supposed to know that his LO decided not to eat her sandwhich if she didn't want to eat it and hides it instead when he isn't looking?
Quoting usmom3:

 Oh come on really? Like the guy would intentionally break the rule of the place he pays to care for his child so that his child is suspended for 3 days to inconvenience him & his family! This is utterly ridiculouson the part of the daycare! A warning would have been sufficient & if it happened again maybe a suspension or fine but this was the first time it had happened!


 

TidewaterClan
by on Mar. 14, 2014 at 8:38 PM

Everyone made some great points.  A warning first would be nice, but if the food contained peanuts or chickpeas (hummus, etc.) once wouldn't be so great for the children with allergies.  Young children are wonderful at sharing and that would be a dangerous thing in this case.

My assumption (and of course I know what assuming does!) is the dad gave her the sandwich before he tossed her in the car.  If that was the case he didn't give her time to eat at home, opened her up to the possibility of choking in the car, and didn't brush her teeth when he got to the daycare either.  I worked full-time up until a few years ago.  I know it's rough, but those few minutes in the morning to bond and take a moment together are important.  He should schedule more time with his child and less with the press.  

kirbymom
by Sonja on Mar. 14, 2014 at 8:41 PM
Yeah, but how many things of this nature have you yourself encountered before? I know I have.

Quoting KickButtMama:

 I would assume the rules were listed somewhere, even if it was in the fine print of his agreement. I can't imagine they never stipulated their food policy anywhere before this.


Quoting kirbymom: I agree, if he knew?
Quoting KickButtMama:

I don't see it as a punishment for the intentional breaking of rules. Instead it's saying they need to take the rules seriously. Because once a place puts such strict rules/punishments in place they become legally liable if a student gets ill/dies due to a reaction from some stray item in their establishment. So they can be sued. I personally think a warning is best, but he agreed to the rules.


Quoting kirbymom: I can see where you're coming from but don't you think there should have been a warning first then the. suspension?
Quoting KickButtMama:

I can see why the father cried foul. But the daycare has a clearly defined policy. They are in charge of the health and safety of ALL the children in their care. If this fathers child was the one with a food allergy, he would be very unhappy to find out the daycare he chose because of their strict food policy, didn't follow through. If the father doesn't like the harsh line the daycare has on food, then he should choose a different one...rather than whining to the press...IMO.



 

kirbymom
by Sonja on Mar. 14, 2014 at 8:49 PM
You give me stitches, girl...lol..I swear you do.
It isn't the punishing that I have issue with, it is the "suspension" of a 2 yr old. 2 yr olds have no concept of suspension. This wasn't to punush the toddler, ut was punishment for the dad!


Quoting KickButtMama:

 I agree...lol...I agree it's difficult to strip search your toddler every day before daycare...lol... So I can see both sides of the issue. Immediately, our instinct is to see it as an absurd thing, to punish toddlers. But once you think about it it seems a little harsh, but not out of the realm of possibility. Especially if this daycare has had a child have a severe reaction there in the past.


Quoting kirbymom: This policy is a great policy but there should be a warning system in place. I mean, these are 2 yr olds. Not the best of listeners just yet.
Quoting collinsmommy0: With a child with severe food allergies, I think that's a great policy for the school to have. A 3 day suspension? Ummm a little to severe IMO. If the child was older (10 maybe?) and understood the rules, then I'd say send them home for the day. But a toddler or preschool doesn't understand those rules.

 

kirbymom
by Sonja on Mar. 14, 2014 at 8:52 PM
That would make more sense to me considering.....

Quoting mem82:

Maybe this guy was constantly pressing the rules and the daycare had had enough.

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