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What would your "house" do

Posted by on Nov. 17, 2012 at 5:21 PM
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Ok, some have been following the situation...SD has been refusing her visits, BM has let her, in part because they just don't get along and in part because now SD is getting older and has plans and a little bit of a life of her own. Well, middle SS went off the rails this weekend, SD has canclled 2 visits in a row and hasn't seem her mom in a month and now won't see her until after Thanksgiving. The kids admit to purposely admit to treating BM terribly to try to get out of their visits in the hopes she'll call for us to pick them up. Well, it blew up this weekend. SS blew up at me yesterday because he was mad he had to go. I finally had it and we fought (verbally). I set my boundaries, he unloaded about how it's not fair his sister didn't have to go. DH and I have told him repeatedly he needs to deal with his mom regarding anything happening on her time just as SD does, he refuses to do it and blew at me. I finally had enough and had a less than stellar moment and blew at him about how I will not be unloaded on when he is angry mom, I am out of it, take it where it belongs, to his mother. Her time, her schedule, work it out with her. He was so mad at me that I wouldn't get in the middle. Thankfully DH jumped in and shut him down that he would never treat me that way and that e deals with his own mom on what happens on her weekend if e wants something scheduled, communicate wih her! Well he went to her house this weekend and has acted out so badly she has belong up our phone today. She wants us to come get him and wants to keep her favorite, YSS. DH said no, pick-up stands as scheduled and from now on, he's done, no negotiating anymore. They all go every weekend ordered, no favorite playing, all or none. I'm not sure what to think. I had a long talk to SD too about the BS she plays of purposely being mean to BM to get out if her visits, she's now coaching her younger brothers to do it too...this is a mess...any advice appreciated...I'm all ears...
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chasinrainbows
by Silver Member on Nov. 17, 2012 at 5:52 PM
They all need to go....together.
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LittleMama2012
by Bronze Member on Nov. 17, 2012 at 5:55 PM
They all need to go together. Stay the scheduled time. She needs to work out whatever issues and the kids need to quit playing all their parents and putting them in the middle.
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pdxmum
by PDetoX on Nov. 17, 2012 at 5:59 PM
Giving kids a choice to take visitation or not is wrong. And causes shit like this. And because you and DH know the kids are fucking with BM, they see tacit if not direct approval. Therefore you two are fucking with BM also.

I have witnessed what granting power to hormonal, self interested, manipulative teens can do. DH lost his daughter because of it. He refuses to lose his boys.

A kid can choose visitation when they turn 18.
chanizen
by Platinum Member on Nov. 17, 2012 at 6:14 PM
My opinion (and I'm tired so forgive me if I'm blunt)...

No more pick and choose. Unless bm is abusive or neglectful, they need to go. Bm and the kids need to come to terms with the fact that she hasn't been a great mom, they haven't been stellar kids. But they are still family. And it's time for all of them to deal. Counselling if necessary.


Don't teach kids to discard the other parents or mouth off when things are tough (not saying you do). Because when things get tough with YOU they will do the same.

Dd doesn't always want to go to bf's. I will never let her bad mouth him without consequence: he is her father and they must deal with each other.

Normal disclaimers apply. But I would stand firm: if you have no good reason to not go..... You go. Because at the end of the day, that is half of your lineage. You don't cut off loving resources because you don't like the sitch.

Sorry if disorganized...
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MRLAdy
by Bronze Member on Nov. 17, 2012 at 6:27 PM
I like the replies to this post. I agree kids should not choose when to visit it should be mandatory at any age before 18
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newstepmom61811
by Gold Member on Nov. 17, 2012 at 8:35 PM
Thank you, you ladies are saying the same things I was thinking. I had a talk with SD, she responds well to me and we can identify, I struggled for a long time with my dad, I chose to forgive, keep him in my life and have reaped rewards from that. I told her under no uncertain terms she will regret how she is treating BM and needs to cut it out. I talked I DH and MIL, who has a habit of trying to undermine us, and we all argee the kids all three go, all or none, until 18. Just for the reasons stated above, so they can't play games like this. I'm grateful or the advice.
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by on Nov. 17, 2012 at 9:25 PM

You've gotten really great advice from everyone.  If it were me, I'd also make them all go.  I'd encourage them to tell their mother in a respectful way how they feel, but tell them that being mean to get their way will not be tolerated.  These are life skills. The way children interact with their parents in large part define how they interact with the rest of the world.  I would be concerned about them playing those same type of games in their marriages, with their coworkers because they learned as children that it got them what they wanted.  They need to learn now how to deal with mom in a respectful way, not just for their relationship with her, but for their own ability to manage all relationships they will have in the future. 

MommySabs
by Gold Member on Nov. 17, 2012 at 9:42 PM
My ods9 sometimes doesn't want to go to his dads house. What dh and I do is tell him he has to discuss it with his dad. It is dads visitation and it needs to be worked out with him if Ds doesn't want to go.
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Pero1
by on Nov. 19, 2012 at 9:44 AM

I don't think this is all that clear-cut ...

I'm not in favour of allowing a child to choose ... that said, it really depends on the circumstances (and this is where it becomes tricky). For example, DD's BF does have diagnosed mental issues, and DD is often struggling to come to terms with this. I strongly believe she has to learn to deal with his behaviour, because she will have to live with it for a very long time.

On the other hand ... should I ever notice that she has reached a stage where this truly affects her (we came close once or twice ... on one occasion he was kicking furniture, ranting and raving because somebody (not DD) had rung the doorbell) I'd give her a break. Same when he is on one of his suicidal trips ... what can a 12-year old say to "you'd all be so much better off without me, I think I should do everybody a favour and put an end to it"?

There is also a "teaching aspect" here ... for example, SD has been struggling with her BM for years. She is an adult now and has chosen not to have any further contact with her. Which is a shame, really. Unfortunately, BM was never "taught" not to treat SD the way she does. Had she been taught earlier (actions = consequences), then their relationship might be very different today.

WifeyC
by Gold Member on Nov. 19, 2012 at 9:47 AM

That's hard. 

DH's CO says visitation is optional so we don't have to worry about a situation like this.  Honestly, I have no idea how I would handle it.

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