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**UPDATE** Destruction of braces question

Posted by on Aug. 26, 2013 at 4:53 PM
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I did not have braces, so have no idea where this falls on a 'problem' scale.

SD16 in the residential facility was having some pain with her braces. A wire was bothering her. So, she ripped out all the wiring. This does not seem like it was the best idea to me, but I don't know if it is a wee, little problem or a bug, bad PROBLEM.

An orthodontist visit has to be coordinated through the facility, so it will take a while. We are not sure how long ago she did it. It did not occur to her to tell us there was a problem so that we could take care of it.

UPDATE: Thanks for all your advice! I talked to an incredibly unprofessional person at the facility who did everything she could to get out of having to schedule this. First - 'orthodontists don't like to work on other orthodontist's work'. Yes, I know. That's why I want her brought to her doctor. Then, 'well, you live really far away.' Yes, I know, but I have been told that you guys will bring her out to specialists in my area. Then, 'well my person who does that only works a six hour shift and this would be three hours of driving'. Well, great because the appointment will be about an hour, so there will be left over time. THEN, 'September is pretty much booked - I schedule for three other girls'. No problem, let me know what days are open in the next six weeks and I will work with her orthodontist to schedule something. It went on an and on and on until I was screaming at her to just give me tube available dates. She said she would 'when she had time'. I asked for them within 48 hours, so we'll see.
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jlg12678
by Gold Member on Aug. 26, 2013 at 4:58 PM
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If she ripped out wiring it is likely there is going to be a charge for replacing. My osd has braces and wrecked a bracked eating candy within the first two weeks of having them on. She received two "free" repairs and anything after that bm and dh will have to pay.

I doubt any permanent damage will occur unless it doesn't get repaired for a long time. Osd went six weeks without getting it repaired due to summer camps and schedules. Ortho said it wasn't anything to worry about.

DDDaysh
by on Aug. 26, 2013 at 5:01 PM
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 I ripped out my bottom retainer on my own when I was 15 because the wire was REALLY bugging me.  It didn't occur to me to tell my parents either (was living at school). 

It probably sounds insane if you've never felt something poking you day and night. 

D-Town
by Member on Aug. 26, 2013 at 5:08 PM

I have scars in the inside of my mouth from a wire that poked out. If she has traditional wire braces, those wires have to be trimmed periodically. I would have expected a residental facility to consider this when she was admitted. If this is a behavioral facility, by not checking them regulalarly they are in violation. Those wires can be considered a safety hazard in a behavioral health setting. 


She needs to have the wires put back in and the residental facility needs to be more on the ball. 

HopesNDreams
by Silver Member on Aug. 26, 2013 at 5:17 PM
Yes, this is what I thought too, but they acted like orthodonture was a really odd request when she was admitted. There have been so many other things that it, regretfully, fit pushed aside. SD told her grandfather that the nurses told her they don't do anything about it (though that could be a lie).

Quoting D-Town:

I have scars in the inside of my mouth from a wire that poked out. If she has traditional wire braces, those wires have to be trimmed periodically. I would have expected a residental facility to consider this when she was admitted. If this is a behavioral facility, by not checking them regulalarly they are in violation. Those wires can be considered a safety hazard in a behavioral health setting. 


She needs to have the wires put back in and the residental facility needs to be more on the ball. 

D-Town
by Member on Aug. 26, 2013 at 5:25 PM

I would say, that they are just trying to keep themselves out of trouble. If she is in a behavioral health facility, they ABSOLUTELY needed to be aware that she had thin metal wires in her mouth that were removable. It is not unheard of for people to remove those wires and use them as weapons or to commit suicide. Not to mention that by not getting her routine care and having the wires trimmed, she could suffer severe damage to her mouth. The wire can actually poke a hole through her mouth if not trimmed back. 


Braces are designed to pull the teeth into a specific position. As the teeth move, the wires either get loose or they push out and hang off the back of the last brace. If you have the old fashioned wire braces (which what you describe is just that) those wires have to be either replaced every week/2 weeks or trimmed down to avoid cutting open the soft skin of the mouth. 


Not only should a long term residential facility (and I'm just making an assumption it is a behavioral health facility) then they absolutely should have been aware of the added need. Not only for the patient safety, but for the safety of other patients in the facility. 

Quoting HopesNDreams:

Yes, this is what I thought too, but they acted like orthodonture was a really odd request when she was admitted. There have been so many other things that it, regretfully, fit pushed aside. SD told her grandfather that the nurses told her they don't do anything about it (though that could be a lie).

Quoting D-Town:

I have scars in the inside of my mouth from a wire that poked out. If she has traditional wire braces, those wires have to be trimmed periodically. I would have expected a residental facility to consider this when she was admitted. If this is a behavioral facility, by not checking them regulalarly they are in violation. Those wires can be considered a safety hazard in a behavioral health setting. 


She needs to have the wires put back in and the residental facility needs to be more on the ball. 


HopesNDreams
by Silver Member on Aug. 26, 2013 at 5:37 PM
You raise some VERY interesting points - thank you!

It's especially interesting because my father also noticed fresh marks from cutting on her arm. I wonder what she used to do it?


Quoting D-Town:

I would say, that they are just trying to keep themselves out of trouble. If she is in a behavioral health facility, they ABSOLUTELY needed to be aware that she had thin metal wires in her mouth that were removable. It is not unheard of for people to remove those wires and use them as weapons or to commit suicide. Not to mention that by not getting her routine care and having the wires trimmed, she could suffer severe damage to her mouth. The wire can actually poke a hole through her mouth if not trimmed back. 


Braces are designed to pull the teeth into a specific position. As the teeth move, the wires either get loose or they push out and hang off the back of the last brace. If you have the old fashioned wire braces (which what you describe is just that) those wires have to be either replaced every week/2 weeks or trimmed down to avoid cutting open the soft skin of the mouth. 


Not only should a long term residential facility (and I'm just making an assumption it is a behavioral health facility) then they absolutely should have been aware of the added need. Not only for the patient safety, but for the safety of other patients in the facility. 

Quoting HopesNDreams:

Yes, this is what I thought too, but they acted like orthodonture was a really odd request when she was admitted. There have been so many other things that it, regretfully, fit pushed aside. SD told her grandfather that the nurses told her they don't do anything about it (though that could be a lie).



Quoting D-Town:

I have scars in the inside of my mouth from a wire that poked out. If she has traditional wire braces, those wires have to be trimmed periodically. I would have expected a residental facility to consider this when she was admitted. If this is a behavioral facility, by not checking them regulalarly they are in violation. Those wires can be considered a safety hazard in a behavioral health setting. 


She needs to have the wires put back in and the residental facility needs to be more on the ball. 


Lauren79
by on Aug. 26, 2013 at 6:07 PM

I too had the metal braces when I was younger and I can tell you that every few days I had to have mine trimmed because I had holes dug into the insides of my cheeks (luckily my mom & adopted mom were both in the dental field and could do this at home). 

When I was at school or camp and would have problems such as this where I couldn't have them cut immediately, I had wax that I would ball up around the ends of the wire, yes it was slightly uncomfortable, but it was certainly better than a bleeding hole in my cheek.

I always had wax because the braces on my front teeth would rub sores on the inside of my lips. 

Maybe try the wax between ortho visits, but the residential facility should certainly be making arrangements for her orthodontics, it's a necessity not a want. If they are going to be caring for her they need to include that.  


Quoting HopesNDreams:

You raise some VERY interesting points - thank you!

It's especially interesting because my father also noticed fresh marks from cutting on her arm. I wonder what she used to do it?


Quoting D-Town:

I would say, that they are just trying to keep themselves out of trouble. If she is in a behavioral health facility, they ABSOLUTELY needed to be aware that she had thin metal wires in her mouth that were removable. It is not unheard of for people to remove those wires and use them as weapons or to commit suicide. Not to mention that by not getting her routine care and having the wires trimmed, she could suffer severe damage to her mouth. The wire can actually poke a hole through her mouth if not trimmed back. 

 

Braces are designed to pull the teeth into a specific position. As the teeth move, the wires either get loose or they push out and hang off the back of the last brace. If you have the old fashioned wire braces (which what you describe is just that) those wires have to be either replaced every week/2 weeks or trimmed down to avoid cutting open the soft skin of the mouth. 

 

Not only should a long term residential facility (and I'm just making an assumption it is a behavioral health facility) then they absolutely should have been aware of the added need. Not only for the patient safety, but for the safety of other patients in the facility. 

Quoting HopesNDreams:

Yes, this is what I thought too, but they acted like orthodonture was a really odd request when she was admitted. There have been so many other things that it, regretfully, fit pushed aside. SD told her grandfather that the nurses told her they don't do anything about it (though that could be a lie).



Quoting D-Town:

I have scars in the inside of my mouth from a wire that poked out. If she has traditional wire braces, those wires have to be trimmed periodically. I would have expected a residental facility to consider this when she was admitted. If this is a behavioral facility, by not checking them regulalarly they are in violation. Those wires can be considered a safety hazard in a behavioral health setting. 

 

She needs to have the wires put back in and the residental facility needs to be more on the ball. 



 

amanda_mom89
by Gold Member on Aug. 26, 2013 at 6:58 PM
I work in a juvenile detention center (which is relatively short term) and even we make sure kids get orthodontic care if they come in with braces. Their PO gets with the parents about dentist and insurance info and the PO sets an appt and takes them in cuffs and shackles.

I find it odd that the facility is not on top of this.
MammaPK
by Member on Aug. 27, 2013 at 10:18 AM

hugsI have two in braces and one in an expander preparing to go into braces.

I would hang somebody by their toes!  Lol!

Does she know better? What kind of facility is she in?

Yeah...it's kind of a big deal!

~pk

HopesNDreams
by Silver Member on Aug. 27, 2013 at 12:17 PM
She is in a Residential Treatment Facility and was just diagnosed Bipolar II. Yes, she knows better, but 'her disease' might not. The facility does not seem to think they have any responsibility in this situation.

She's had issues before with them, but nothing this major.


Quoting MammaPK:

hugsI have two in braces and one in an expander preparing to go into braces.


I would hang somebody by their toes!  Lol!


Does she know better? What kind of facility is she in?


Yeah...it's kind of a big deal!


~pk

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