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It's Coffee Break time! Hot Topic: Shooting First Day of School

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Welcome to Mom to Mom's Tuesday Coffee Break!

As you may know there was a shooting in a Baltimore County school yesterday. As always there are different stories floating around out there.

Here are the main facts:

1. A student posted on his Facebook page just hours before school started "First day of school,
last day of my life. t(~_~t), f*** the world

2. That same student took a "big gun" into the school which was said to have been in parts
and put together just before the shooting.

3. One student was shot in the back (currently NOT considered a target).

4. A Guidance Counselor restrains him, other teachers help until an on-school Police Officer arrives.

5. The shooter is in custody and is cooperating with law enforcement.
The victim is in critical condition.

6. School is in session today with enhanced security.

Live streaming was on CBS Baltimore yesterday
Most current information: 8/28/12 11:55 am - here

1. What are your thoughts on this and all school shootings?

2. Do you feel your child(ren) are safe in school?

3. What do you feel is the best way to prevent these kinds of situations?

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by on Aug. 28, 2012 at 9:17 AM
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by on Aug. 28, 2012 at 8:11 PM

I just heard this on the news.This horifies me .first if it was posted on facebook and tons of suppose your friends reads it  then why didnt anyone be a true friend and reach out to him or tell an adult.Another thing is that does our school system eed a better security.The answer is YES!!! I know ours stinks.i have seen a bus load of carrer center kids unload and anyone could walk beside them and enter the school.We also have no weapon check.It really is scary to let your kids go to school when you know they are not safe. I am a divorced mom and every year the school knows my ex cannnot pick up my kids and every year the pput on the papers check marked yes he can .So in other words they are not looking out for our kids.shrugging I feel for the parents all involved in this tradegy.From one parent to another you are in our prayers.

by on Aug. 28, 2012 at 8:18 PM
My cousin goes to this school and was in the cafeteria at the time of the shooting. She was unharmed, but clearly shaken. Her sister recently went back to Florida because she was being unmercifully bullied at her school. What is going on! You want to have the piece of mind that your children should be safe in SCHOOL!
by on Aug. 28, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Too late for coffee for me, I'll take an ice cold sweet tea with lemon.

I live not to far from Perry Hall high, This hit very close to home. It is absolutely shocking to me. A family member of mine has a son that was in the lunchroom when it happened and he is just traumatized. It is very sad, he must have been at a really really low state of mind to do this, his facebook has been passed around and some of the things on there were quite disturbing. If it hadnt of been for that Man who stopped him, it would have been another colorado shooting. Makes me worry how bad things will be once my daughter is in high school.

Prayers for the families and students affected in this mess....

by on Aug. 28, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Quoting devildogtigress:

Really? Because shooting rates are so low in countries who banned guns? And criminals obey laws?

Quoting Jaybo:

As long as the US upholds the outdated second amendment, "the right to keep and bear arms,"  originally passed in the days of our forefathers who's only manner of "arms" was a one shot musket, kids will never be safe in schools.

With so many high powered rifles and automatic weapons owned and carried by so many Americans nowadays, kids will never be safe in the streets, the parks, the pools, at fast food outlets, in coffee shops, in shopping malls, in parking lots, etc. etc.

To make it even worse. Americans are now permitted  to carry a concealed weapon into a bar, & college & university students are now permitted to carry a concealed gun while on campus. 

When and if, America ever quits being so gung ho, shoot before you look, gun happy, maybe ALL our children and grandchildren will have a chance to live to adulthood.  


Typical response from a NRA supporter.


Statistics on Gun Deaths & Injuries


In 2009, guns took the lives of 31,347 Americans in homicides, suicides and unintentional shootings. This is the equivalent of more than 85 deaths each day and more than three deaths each hour.1

66,769 Americans were treated in hospital emergency departments for non-fatal gunshot wounds in 2009.2

Firearms were the third-leading cause of injury-related deaths nationwide in 2009, following poisoning and motor vehicle accidents.3

Between 1955 and 1975, the Vietnam War killed over 58,000 American soldiers – less than the number of civilians killed with guns in the U.S. in an average two-year period.4

In the first seven years of the U.S.-Iraq War, over 4,400 American soldiers were killed. Almost as many civilians are killed with guns in the U.S., however, every seven weeks.5


Guns were used in 11,493 homicides in the U.S. in 2009, comprising over 36% of all gun deaths, and over 68% of all homicides.6

On average, 33 gun homicides were committed each day for the years 2004-2009.7

Regions and states with higher rates of gun ownership have significantly higher rates of homicide than states with lower rates of gun ownership.8

Where guns are prevalent, there are significantly more homicides, particularly gun homicides.9


Firearms were used in 18,735 suicides in the U.S. in 2009, constituting almost 60% of all gun deaths.10

Over 50% of all suicides are committed with a firearm.11

On average, 48 gun suicides were committed each day for the years 2004-2009.12

White males, about 40% of the U.S. population, accounted for over 80% of firearm suicides in 2009.13

A study of California handgun purchasers found that in the first year after the purchase of a handgun, suicide was the leading cause of death among the purchasers.14

Firearms were used in nearly 45% of suicide deaths among persons under age 25 in 2009.15

More than 75% of guns used in suicide attempts and unintentional injuries of 0-19 year-olds were stored in the residence of the victim, a relative, or a friend.16

The risk of suicide increases in homes where guns are kept loaded and/or unlocked.17

Unintentional Deaths and Injuries

In 2009, firearm injuries were the cause of the unintentional deaths of 554 people.18

From 2004-2009, over 3,800 people in the U.S. died from unintentional shootings.19

Over 1,350 victims of unintentional shootings for the period 2004–2009 were under 25 years of age.20

People of all age groups are significantly more likely to die from unintentional firearm injuries when they live in states with more guns, relative to states with fewer guns. On average, states with the highest gun levels had nine times the rate of unintentional firearms deaths compared to states with the lowest gun levels.21

A federal government study of unintentional shootings found that 8% of such shooting deaths resulted from shots fired by children under the age of six.22

The U.S. General Accounting Office has estimated that 31% of unintentional deaths caused by firearms might be prevented by the addition of two devices: a child-proof safety lock (8%) and a loading indicator (23%).23






by on Aug. 28, 2012 at 8:34 PM
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He was 15 years old and shot a 17 year old (who always bullied him)... He was charged 2day as an adult... Charged with attempted 1st degree murder and assault...
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by on Aug. 28, 2012 at 8:42 PM
The story that played on our news which had the eyewitness said the victim threw a coke can at him said he's next and as he walked away the gunman pulled out his weapon and shot him in the back.
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by on Aug. 28, 2012 at 8:59 PM

No child is safe when the laws permit anyone outside the military or policeforce to bear arms. It might sound good but it is the most barbaric acceptance of stupidity any person which real intelligence should accept.

It goes like Christianity against everything both the Muslim prophet and the Saviour of his new Way we know as Jesus stood for. He even thought to be crucified without objection was the right way to go. Wake up fellow humans the gunlobby belongs with Satan smooth talkers who cant explain why killing is their need to have guns.

Love Janice

by on Aug. 28, 2012 at 9:04 PM
That school is less than an hour away from me
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by on Aug. 28, 2012 at 9:11 PM
I'm homeschooling my kids. For more reasons than this but this is one reason.
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by New Member on Aug. 28, 2012 at 9:21 PM
1. What are your thoughts on this and all school shootings? Well in this day and age school shootings are more frequent because we as a people have relaxed ourselves with the thought of having a gun, when really we are basically putting them in our kids hands. To most kids that how their parents feel safe so why should they, if it make mom and dad feel safe why not me! Some parent explain the use of a gun wrong by saying " it keep people from hurting us" and "a gun get respect" or "it make people respect you". Now look at it from a kids prospective when everything that is said to them is literal. What goes on in their little heads is that because I have this that bully or the kids that pick on me are now going to respect and fear me! Then someone's child gets shoot because of unclear words!

2. Do you feel your child(ren) are safe in school? Children are not safe any where in this world because there are too many sickening thing that can happen! A parent holds on to their phone so tight everyday just thinking "what if that creepy kids bring a gun" or what if someone grabs my child on their way too or from school" and "what if that man that stands at his door everyday when the kids come home is a pediphile!"

3. What do you feel is the best way to prevent these kinds of situations? More observant parents! If you kid looks like they are afraid or is having mental problem be the first to sit down with them and ask! Don't just let them spiral out of control in their own minds. Take them to get help or help them solve the problem. More time then a few the parent wants to act as if they didn't see this coming. But when they investigates the child home the room has dolls with the eyes poked out! And pictures of dead people and thing of that sort! COME ON PARENTS YOU GOTTA DO BETTER!!! Everything a child know come from home, their first teachers are their parents! So revenge, hate, envy, greed, abuse, punishment, and unhappiness starts we you the parent!
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