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Don't tell me how to feed MY baby!!!!!!!

So, I've heard all this bad stuff about baby cereal and oatmeal. I even made a post in group asking a question but no one answered my question because they were so intent upon tell me how bad feeding my baby oatmeal was and that I should do "baby led solids" and completly skip baby food all together. I did research it and decided that "bab led solids" just wasn't for me...especially seeing as how we get FREE baby food through my WIC. Why let all that food go to waste? I understand that people have opinions but someone could have at least answered my question before telling me what to feed MY baby. >.>

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by on Jan. 14, 2013 at 12:07 AM
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michal6
by on Jan. 17, 2013 at 7:18 AM
I started my daughter on solids at 6 months (but continued breast feeding until 17 months). I wanted to do the best I could for her so her first solids were mashed avocado and HappyBellies cereal. For all of the cereal haters out there, HappyBellies is recommended by Dr. Sears.......whom I am sure a lot of you have heard of since he is a big advocate of Co-sleeping, baby wearing, and natural parenting. If HE recommends it, the cereal can't be all that toxic!
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SuDoNim
by on Jan. 17, 2013 at 7:39 AM

Seriously, I don't even know what we are disagreeing on, aside from how long the benefits of delayed cord blooding last. The science confirms benefits through 6 months; anything beyond is theoretical. Probable, but still theoretical. 

Re: iron needs/day, it depends on the source of information. The WHO states 0.49mg and 0.90mg/day at 1-6 months and 7-12 months respectively. The CDC states 0.27mg and 11mg respectively.  

Also, regarding your link: you only quoted the abstract. If you read through the entire paper, as well as the citations, it is confirming my stance that another source of iron is generally needed after 6 months. 

Quoting SlapItHigh:

I actually did provide you evidence but here is more:

"Iron deficiency is estimated to be the most common nutritional deficiency worldwide and is particularly persistent among infants and children. The high prevalence of anemia in 6- to 9-mo-old children raises the concern that birth iron stores in some infants are inadequate to sustain growth and development through the first 6 mo of life, and postnatal factors are contributing to early depletion of iron stores and development of anemia. At the same time, there are concerns about negative effects of excess iron in infants. Maternal iron status, infant birth weight and gestational age, as well as the timing of umbilical cord clamping at birth all contribute to the establishment of adequate total body iron at birth. Postnatally, feeding practices and growth rate are factors that will affect how quickly birth iron is depleted during the first 6 mo of life. Under conditions in which maternal iron status, birth weight, gestational age, and umbilical cord clamping time are optimal, and exclusive breast-feeding is practiced, infants should have adequate iron stores for the first 6–8 mo of life. Under suboptimal conditions, infants may not reach this goal and may need to be targeted for iron supplementation before 6 mo of age."

http://jn.nutrition.org/content/138/12/2529.full

Contrast that with how long supply lasts when delayed cord clamping is not taken into consideration and nearly all infants are immediately clamped: 

"Healthy full term infants are born with a supply of iron that lasts for 4 to 6 months. There is not enough evidence available to establish a RDA for iron for infants from birth through 6 months of age. Recommended iron intake for this age group is based on an Adequate Intake (AI) that reflects the average iron intake of healthy infants fed breast milk [1]."

Which brings me to my next point -- where is your evidence for your claim, "before 6 months a baby needs about 0.49mg/day, while after 6 months a baby needs about 0.90mg/day, which is also at the time when iron levels in breastmilk start to decline"?  That doesn't sync up with any of the information I have saved.  And the above shows that their is only a AI based on aveage iron intake before 6 months. 

I'm not sure why you are doubting.  If stores are optimal up to 6 months with immediate cord clamping (which we both agree) and stores are signficantly higher at 6 months when cord clamping is delayed (which we both agree), why do you then doubt that there are benefits beyond 6 months? The stores are higher at 6months which means the benefits will extend, as the stores do not disappear overnight.  We don't know exactly when the benfits run out, but it's esitmated to be some time within a couple of months from 6 months which is when babies are often more willing to eat foods naturally containing iron that is much more readily absorbed. 

Quoting SuDoNim:

And again, you haven't shown any evidence of benefits beyond 6 months, which is when the risk of iron deficiency begins. I am not questioning iron stores before 6 months because the science is clear that most babies are adequately covered during the first 6 months.  

Quoting SlapItHigh:

Again, the reason a baby's iron needs increase around 6 months of age is precisely because the stores of iron they are born with are enough to meet their needs until around 6 months.  This is well documented (IOM, 2001; Butte, Lopez-Alarcon, & Garza, 2002; Dewey & Chaparro, 2007).  However, infants who receive delayed cord clamping have higher iron stores remaining at 6 months. Therefore, their needs do not increase at the same level as those with immediate cord clamping.

I disagree with your assertion that cereal is one of the easiest and more realistic modes of increasing a baby's iron.

Quoting SuDoNim:

Again, you are choosing a pointless argument. AFTER 6 MONTHS OF AGE, a baby does indeed have a biological need for more iron; before 6 months a baby needs about 0.49mg/day, while after 6 months a baby needs about 0.90mg/day, which is also at the time when iron levels in breastmilk start to decline. Not 6 months and 1 day, but around 6 months. And I have also already stated, cereal is not the only means to increase a baby's iron intake, but in the context of the limited diet of an infant, it is one of the easiest and most realistic modes.




gottaluvmee
by Member on Jan. 17, 2013 at 11:06 AM

First of all, is your baby happy and healthy? If so and your Dr. and the WIC nurse says your baby is gaining weight and nothing is wrong then you do what you want. As for WIC that is what it is there for, for help! I would rather be on WIC then have my baby go without, just because i was to "proud" to get on it. It is there for help, I could have done without it but it sure helped in other areas, I used the money saved on other things like wipes, groceries and so forth. don't worry about what others say or think. If you ask your Dr. or the nurse and they say go for it then go for it!

Janet
by Ruby Member on Jan. 17, 2013 at 11:16 AM

 

Quoting SlapItHigh:

I would thank them for sharing important info with you.  If you don't believe it, or you believe it but feel that free food is more important, then by all means go the route of your choice.  Why wouldn't you want the information though?  As mothers, it's important that we share with each other.

 

SewingMamaLele
by on Jan. 17, 2013 at 3:15 PM


Quoting Momof38186:


Quoting SewingMamaLele:


Quoting Momof38186:

All 3 of my kids had cereal & Oatmeal. 

This is the 1st I've ever heard it was bad !!

All my friends, family etc.. have always given it to their children too.

Why would W.I.C. give it out if it wasn't healthy?  Seriously.....


I have VERY healthy children. They are all about to celebrate birthdays & turn 6,8 & 10.  

Do what YOU Feel is best for your child  & sure- research & learn about anything & everything you can-- always, but always, always make your own choices & never care what others think ,once you do.

Every day it seems like something that was good is now bad suddenly ,but who's to say next year they wont say " ooppss we were wrong about that "   I say, if after THAT Many years, no one really had any issues - these  new studies saying it's horrible, probably are just a way to sell some new, more spendy product to us , to make "them" more money .

If it's worked for many,many years & Even W.I.C.  ( who only lets healthy foods be approved & makes sure we do nutriton classes etc.. to keep us and our babies healthy ))  approves of it -- I'm pretty sure it's fine.

There's always room for me to be wrong though, and I'll be the 1st to admit it  

WIC also gives a ridiculous amount of juice and barely any fresh produce... their packages are outdated and limited by funding.  It's sad, but true.  

Let me ask you this... do you think "white" grain products are healthy?   White bread, white rice, white pasta, etc...?   Or are "whole grains" healthier?

I'm sorry, I re-read my replies to you & I came off kind of snotty, I didn't mean to & Its not my normal style. 

Oh, hon... it takes a LOT to offend me online.   I don't assume tone, so don't worry about it.   :)

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SewingMamaLele
by on Jan. 17, 2013 at 3:22 PM
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Quoting Momof38186:

and it's not just white products that aren't healthy-- yellow also !  not ALL but  most :-)

Quoting Momof38186:


Quoting Momof38186:


Quoting SewingMamaLele:


Quoting Momof38186:

All 3 of my kids had cereal & Oatmeal. 

This is the 1st I've ever heard it was bad !!

All my friends, family etc.. have always given it to their children too.

Why would W.I.C. give it out if it wasn't healthy?  Seriously.....


I have VERY healthy children. They are all about to celebrate birthdays & turn 6,8 & 10.  

Do what YOU Feel is best for your child  & sure- research & learn about anything & everything you can-- always, but always, always make your own choices & never care what others think ,once you do.

Every day it seems like something that was good is now bad suddenly ,but who's to say next year they wont say " ooppss we were wrong about that "   I say, if after THAT Many years, no one really had any issues - these  new studies saying it's horrible, probably are just a way to sell some new, more spendy product to us , to make "them" more money .

If it's worked for many,many years & Even W.I.C.  ( who only lets healthy foods be approved & makes sure we do nutriton classes etc.. to keep us and our babies healthy ))  approves of it -- I'm pretty sure it's fine.

There's always room for me to be wrong though, and I'll be the 1st to admit it  

WIC also gives a ridiculous amount of juice and barely any fresh produce... their packages are outdated and limited by funding.  It's sad, but true.  

Let me ask you this... do you think "white" grain products are healthy?   White bread, white rice, white pasta, etc...?   Or are "whole grains" healthier?

Whole grains.  I never gave my kids the rice. I always gave them the oatmeal. I really don't know why I said "cereal & Oatmeal" The oatmeal came in the same box's is prob why lol Honestly, I'm into the eating healthy and what not.  I haven't had WIC in 6 years & It was in Alaska, so a lot is probably different. We were allowed to go to the farmers market with ours & they encouraged VERY healthy eating and choices. We had to take nutrion classes and all sorts of stuff in order to even get WIC.

In fact, I have a website will all natural health & Beauty tips & am adding a section on how to treat illness's and common and uncommon problems  with natural things,foods,herbs etc. 

I'm def. not an ignorant ,uneducated person when it comes to health & healthy lifestyle.   I've recently lost 96 pounds  *that were NOT gained from unhealthy ways but from medications,health problems and bedrest out of my controll since childhood *   and you don't lose that kind of weight being ignorant to healthy ways. Trust me :-)   

I've taken at least 5 nutrition classes and done more research and studying than I could estimate at this point.


Ok, where to start?   Ha!   Infant oatmeal is just as bad as rice cereal (potentially worse since it can contain gluton).    It's fortified just the same as rice cereal, and babies aren't able to digest it any better.    The fortification and over-processing is the issue... removing any actual nutrition and replacing it with synthetic nutrients.   Top that with the fact that babies don't start producing amylase until closer to a year (since, as infants they need more lactase since lactose is their main carbohydrate)... and any cereal is pointless to young infants.  

Your youngest is 6 years and much of this info didn't start getting widespread until more recently... so it's totally understandable that you didn't know about it.   But, when we know better, we do better.   We have the info now, so new moms should take advantage of it when making feeding decisions.  

And yellow foods... what,  like corn, you mean?

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mskitty6
by on Jan. 17, 2013 at 4:17 PM
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It never hurt my kids.

Bonita131
by Member on Jan. 17, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Feed your baby what ever you want and ignore the vultures on here. My only advice is to watch the amount of baby rice cereal you feed your baby as a consumer alert came out in late 2012 about rice and rice products including baby rice cereal, brown rice especially, having high levels of arsenic.  It was recommended not to give your baby more than one small serving of rice cereal a day. I posted a link to the consumer alert notice a few months ago but it garnered little attention.

Here's the link. Do check it out as it include a lot of rice and rice products we use everyday.

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2012/11/arsenic-in-your-food/index.htm

Bonita131
by Member on Jan. 17, 2013 at 8:08 PM

 


Quoting Momof38186:


Quoting Momof38186:


Quoting SewingMamaLele:


Quoting Momof38186:

All 3 of my kids had cereal & Oatmeal. 

This is the 1st I've ever heard it was bad !!

All my friends, family etc.. have always given it to their children too.

Why would W.I.C. give it out if it wasn't healthy?  Seriously.....

 

I have VERY healthy children. They are all about to celebrate birthdays & turn 6,8 & 10.  

Do what YOU Feel is best for your child  & sure- research & learn about anything & everything you can-- always, but always, always make your own choices & never care what others think ,once you do.

Every day it seems like something that was good is now bad suddenly ,but who's to say next year they wont say " ooppss we were wrong about that "   I say, if after THAT Many years, no one really had any issues - these  new studies saying it's horrible, probably are just a way to sell some new, more spendy product to us , to make "them" more money .

If it's worked for many,many years & Even W.I.C.  ( who only lets healthy foods be approved & makes sure we do nutriton classes etc.. to keep us and our babies healthy ))  approves of it -- I'm pretty sure it's fine.

There's always room for me to be wrong though, and I'll be the 1st to admit it  

WIC also gives a ridiculous amount of juice and barely any fresh produce... their packages are outdated and limited by funding.  It's sad, but true.  

Let me ask you this... do you think "white" grain products are healthy?   White bread, white rice, white pasta, etc...?   Or are "whole grains" healthier?

Whole grains.  I never gave my kids the rice. I always gave them the oatmeal. I really don't know why I said "cereal & Oatmeal" The oatmeal came in the same box's is prob why lol Honestly, I'm into the eating healthy and what not.  I haven't had WIC in 6 years & It was in Alaska, so a lot is probably different. We were allowed to go to the farmers market with ours & they encouraged VERY healthy eating and choices. We had to take nutrion classes and all sorts of stuff in order to even get WIC.

In fact, I have a website will all natural health & Beauty tips & am adding a section on how to treat illness's and common and uncommon problems  with natural things,foods,herbs etc. 

I'm def. not an ignorant ,uneducated person when it comes to health & healthy lifestyle.   I've recently lost 96 pounds  *that were NOT gained from unhealthy ways but from medications,health problems and bedrest out of my controll since childhood *   and you don't lose that kind of weight being ignorant to healthy ways. Trust me :-)   

I've taken at least 5 nutrition classes and done more research and studying than I could estimate at this point.

In fact, I have a website will all natural health & Beauty tips & am adding a section on how to treat illness's and common and uncommon problems with natural things,foods,herbs etc.

I hope you also have a disclaimer on your website that you are not a medical professional, and your opinions/thoughts on treating illnesses with natural herbs, foods, etc, are you own.
 

Jettsmom2010
by on Jan. 18, 2013 at 12:58 AM
Infant cereal is just empty processed carbs and actual contain very little real nutrients. They almost always cause constipation and tummy aches. Why would anyone want their babies first food to be empty calories? I am on WIC also and decided to not use my WIC checks for the cereal and baby food. I did the research and felt baby led weaning was a better healthy choice for my son. Even the ladies who work at wic agree with me. You need to do what you feel is right for your baby, however please do really research. Don't just ask CM because none of us are experts. Also just because something is free doesn't mean it is good or good for you.
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