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disruptive mood dysregulation disorder

Posted by on Oct. 3, 2013 at 4:38 PM
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 I have been posting over the past few days about Jacob being violent and moody etc. Well, I have my first IEP meeting tomorrow so I was reading over his diagnosis report to just farmiliarize myself with it better. (As if I haven't read it 20 times already) But as I was reading it today under the diagnosis column it read all of his other diagnoses and then very last it says "possible disruptive mood dysregulation disorder". Now, I don't know how I missed this all the times I have read it, but I did. Anyway, I immediately googled it and it is the equivalent of Bipolar Disorder.  It is much harder to diagnose bipolar disorder in children so they get the DMDD dx. From what I gather from his dx report and my research the only reason he didn't get dx with it is because the symptoms have to show up in more than one setting and at the time school was out so the only setting was at home. Now, he is at school and the symptoms have shown up there too.

Have any other mamas  dealt with this or their kiddos been dx with it?

by on Oct. 3, 2013 at 4:38 PM
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MomOfOneCoolKid
by Member on Oct. 3, 2013 at 5:07 PM

hugs mom.

No, but my ds has ADHD and PDD-NOS. But mostly ADHD. ADHD often comes with ODD. My son doesn't have ODD but sometimes shows aggressiveness and its very isolating.

Let me recomend the book "The Explosive Child".

2_amazing_boys
by on Oct. 3, 2013 at 6:19 PM
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He is ADHD-combined type, ODD, has anxiety disorder-NOS and adjustment disorder with mixed disturbances of emotion and conduct, with the possible DMDD dx. He has always had isolated anger outbursts but never at school. His dad is Bipolar as well. The DMDD typical shows up between ages 6-9 and he is 7. I have heard of the book and also heard that it was great. I have thought since he was little that his behavior is more bipolar than ODD because I lived with his dad for 7 years and he was very violent and abusive when he got angry or depressed. I will pick up the book and read it. thanks

Quoting MomOfOneCoolKid:

hugs mom.

No, but my ds has ADHD and PDD-NOS. But mostly ADHD. ADHD often comes with ODD. My son doesn't have ODD but sometimes shows aggressiveness and its very isolating.

Let me recomend the book "The Explosive Child".

gummibr
by Member on Oct. 3, 2013 at 10:29 PM

Yes my five year old was diagnosed at four as being bipolar.  And yes, the disruptive mood dysregulation was to explain why the symptoms of adult bipolar do not match the symptoms in children.  Not sure why my son's psychiatrist diagnosed him with bipolar and not dmdd but since the symptoms and treatment are essentially the same I don't think it really matters.  My son can go from happy to violent or depressed at the flick of a switch.  Also, my son can hold it together at school and then loose it as soon as we leave the building so its not unusual for the symptoms not to show up at school  He does have trouble in other social situations though.  So yes we have dealt with this.  I have also read the explosive child and while it was helpful, I'm not sure it really helps children who have an illness and can't control their reactions and feelings.  I have read many other books on childhood bipolar though that have been very helpful.  Let me know if you have any specific questions.  By the way, my son is on meds and doing great but the meds are not without side effects and risks and he gets his blood drawn regularly.

darbyakeep45
by Darby on Oct. 4, 2013 at 6:32 AM

Hugs mama!  Hope the meeting goes well...let us know:)

2_amazing_boys
by on Oct. 4, 2013 at 9:05 AM

 The way you described your son sounds like my son. It seems like when he does get the good reports at achool it is meltdown mode the minute he comes in the door. His mood swings are so extreme that it is overwhelming sometimes. He will tear his room apart in a rage and then an hour later he is happy and laughing and playing. Sometimes, the rages last hours and hours and sometimes they don't happen for days. He has problems in social situations too, but I always summed it up to his ADHD and that was why. Until he really started having the mood swings and rages and depression. He also has anxiety and ODD, but this is so much different than ODD. With ODD they just don't like authority essentially and his previous dr. before the I had the eval done said that it was just his ODD and he would learn to "deal with it". How do you make it through a day when all it is is anger? We are in one of those times right now this episode has lasted the better part of 2 weeks and he has become more and more violent. I just pray that he won't hurt himself or someone else and thats all I can do until we get through it, but really I want to hide because I can't really take him out because he IS going to melt down at the grocery store, or the dr., or wherever we are at. Does your son get overstimulated at it trigger some of his behaviors? 

Quoting gummibr:

Yes my five year old was diagnosed at four as being bipolar.  And yes, the disruptive mood dysregulation was to explain why the symptoms of adult bipolar do not match the symptoms in children.  Not sure why my son's psychiatrist diagnosed him with bipolar and not dmdd but since the symptoms and treatment are essentially the same I don't think it really matters.  My son can go from happy to violent or depressed at the flick of a switch.  Also, my son can hold it together at school and then loose it as soon as we leave the building so its not unusual for the symptoms not to show up at school  He does have trouble in other social situations though.  So yes we have dealt with this.  I have also read the explosive child and while it was helpful, I'm not sure it really helps children who have an illness and can't control their reactions and feelings.  I have read many other books on childhood bipolar though that have been very helpful.  Let me know if you have any specific questions.  By the way, my son is on meds and doing great but the meds are not without side effects and risks and he gets his blood drawn regularly.

 

Hottubgodess
by on Oct. 4, 2013 at 9:11 AM

This is usually the trail on the way to a final ASD dx.  

Quoting 2_amazing_boys:

He is ADHD-combined type, ODD, has anxiety disorder-NOS and adjustment disorder with mixed disturbances of emotion and conduct, with the possible DMDD dx. He has always had isolated anger outbursts but never at school. His dad is Bipolar as well. The DMDD typical shows up between ages 6-9 and he is 7. I have heard of the book and also heard that it was great. I have thought since he was little that his behavior is more bipolar than ODD because I lived with his dad for 7 years and he was very violent and abusive when he got angry or depressed. I will pick up the book and read it. thanks

Quoting MomOfOneCoolKid:

hugs mom.

No, but my ds has ADHD and PDD-NOS. But mostly ADHD. ADHD often comes with ODD. My son doesn't have ODD but sometimes shows aggressiveness and its very isolating.

Let me recomend the book "The Explosive Child".


2_amazing_boys
by on Oct. 4, 2013 at 9:27 AM

 There are 2 kids at my church with ASD and this is what they told me. They said he has all the dx to make up the symptoms of ASD but no ASD dx. A good thing is that the only pediatric mental health specialists are all located in an Autism Center and that is where he will be going to the dr at. I had to fill out a intake form that asked all of these questions about whether or not he possibly has autism and the more I answered the more I was like omg this is so weird that he has all these symptoms and has 5 dx instead of 1! It makes me consider that he possibly does because as many DX as he has all together and they all correlate their has to be a common dx! I was thinking exactly what you posted but was like surely they would have found it if he was...maybe not! Something worth researching now that someone else has "seen" what I do.

Quoting Hottubgodess:

This is usually the trail on the way to a final ASD dx.  

Quoting 2_amazing_boys:

He is ADHD-combined type, ODD, has anxiety disorder-NOS and adjustment disorder with mixed disturbances of emotion and conduct, with the possible DMDD dx. He has always had isolated anger outbursts but never at school. His dad is Bipolar as well. The DMDD typical shows up between ages 6-9 and he is 7. I have heard of the book and also heard that it was great. I have thought since he was little that his behavior is more bipolar than ODD because I lived with his dad for 7 years and he was very violent and abusive when he got angry or depressed. I will pick up the book and read it. thanks

Quoting MomOfOneCoolKid:

hugs mom.

No, but my ds has ADHD and PDD-NOS. But mostly ADHD. ADHD often comes with ODD. My son doesn't have ODD but sometimes shows aggressiveness and its very isolating.

Let me recomend the book "The Explosive Child".


 

MomOfOneCoolKid
by Member on Oct. 4, 2013 at 10:56 AM

 


Quoting gummibr:

Yes my five year old was diagnosed at four as being bipolar.  And yes, the disruptive mood dysregulation was to explain why the symptoms of adult bipolar do not match the symptoms in children.  Not sure why my son's psychiatrist diagnosed him with bipolar and not dmdd but since the symptoms and treatment are essentially the same I don't think it really matters.  My son can go from happy to violent or depressed at the flick of a switch.  Also, my son can hold it together at school and then loose it as soon as we leave the building so its not unusual for the symptoms not to show up at school  He does have trouble in other social situations though.  So yes we have dealt with this.  I have also read the explosive child and while it was helpful, I'm not sure it really helps children who have an illness and can't control their reactions and feelings.  I have read many other books on childhood bipolar though that have been very helpful.  Let me know if you have any specific questions.  By the way, my son is on meds and doing great but the meds are not without side effects and risks and he gets his blood drawn regularly.

Thank you for sharing mom!

What books have you read that have been the most useful and what meds has your child tried?

 

xanadu96
by on Oct. 5, 2013 at 12:19 AM
I'd love to know some good books! I love 'No More Meltdowns' by Jed Baker and 'How to Teach Life Skills to Kids with Autism or Asperger's' by Jennifer Myers.

My DS is nine and was finally diagnosed bp last year, but they observed him and talked with us about it for at least two years prior to make sure it was bp.

Quoting gummibr:

Yes my five year old was diagnosed at four as being bipolar.  And yes, the disruptive mood dysregulation was to explain why the symptoms of adult bipolar do not match the symptoms in children.  Not sure why my son's psychiatrist diagnosed him with bipolar and not dmdd but since the symptoms and treatment are essentially the same I don't think it really matters.  My son can go from happy to violent or depressed at the flick of a switch.  Also, my son can hold it together at school and then loose it as soon as we leave the building so its not unusual for the symptoms not to show up at school  He does have trouble in other social situations though.  So yes we have dealt with this.  I have also read the explosive child and while it was helpful, I'm not sure it really helps children who have an illness and can't control their reactions and feelings.  I have read many other books on childhood bipolar though that have been very helpful.  Let me know if you have any specific questions.  By the way, my son is on meds and doing great but the meds are not without side effects and risks and he gets his blood drawn regularly.


xanadu96
by on Oct. 5, 2013 at 12:42 AM
DMDD is what they're now calling pediatric bipolar. I'm guessing because it's so hard to diagnose it in kids they decided to rename it in the DSM-5. For our IEP it's classified as an emotional disorder which pretty much means DS will not be mainstreamed until maybe high school. But that's our situatuon and it's different for all kids.

He was diagnosed with sensory issues a few years ago but now his docs agree,and have stated, he's on the spectrum. However, he has not officially been given that diagnosis because they also say the bipolar is the disorder the school should be concerned with since this is where his issues and behaviors lie.

Quoting 2_amazing_boys:

 I have been posting over the past few days about Jacob being violent and moody etc. Well, I have my first IEP meeting tomorrow so I was reading over his diagnosis report to just farmiliarize myself with it better. (As if I haven't read it 20 times already) But as I was reading it today under the diagnosis column it read all of his other diagnoses and then very last it says "possible disruptive mood dysregulation disorder". Now, I don't know how I missed this all the times I have read it, but I did. Anyway, I immediately googled it and it is the equivalent of Bipolar Disorder.  It is much harder to diagnose bipolar disorder in children so they get the DMDD dx. From what I gather from his dx report and my research the only reason he didn't get dx with it is because the symptoms have to show up in more than one setting and at the time school was out so the only setting was at home. Now , he is at school and the symptoms have shown up there too.


Have any other mamas  dealt with this or their kiddos been dx with it?


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